hi paul...cheers for the response, and sorry for the delay in getting back to you.... i changed the alternator and battery, at the same time, the altenator was not charging the battery... i today have done a parasitic draw test. and the Meter shows no draw at all. also the battery shows 12.50 volts, but again struggled to start this morning,...... i have started disconnecting the battery at night, and now it doed start in the mornings, but i would like to find the cause.. so this is what i know...... battery shows at 14+ volts at idle battery shows as 12.50 "unstarted" alternator Does Work as voltage increases when Reving.. battery is New alternator is New there is no parasitic Draw.. i changed alternator because the old one did not charge the battery........... any help would be helpfull thanks neil