Xsara 1.4 2002 P0200 Fault

[TonyH]

Hello all, hope you can help. Have just purchased a 2002 Xsara 1.4 lx and driving back it developed a misfire. The engine would hunt about for a while, and the engine management light came on, then fault cleared and light went off. Continued on journey and then fault came back. Parked up and left to idle, and fault would come back, then settle, and so on. ODB scanner shows fault code P0200 Injector Circuit/Open. Can any one shed some light on what course of action I need to take please? Just started a new job so could do without this, and was a private sale so not able to return.

Any help will be very much appreciated.

[Rookie2]

Hi

 

1st - check the battery voltage, these engines are notorious for running badly on a bad or uncharged battery, they have to have FULL charge at all times, failure to do this will result in all sorts of strange diag codes.

 

2nd = Unplug the MAF sensor when the engine os running normally and make sure that the unplugging of the sonsort makes a difference to how the engine runs. No difference would suggest that the sensor is faulty. Also unplug the sensor when the engine is running badly and not the difference.

 

3rd = remove and clean both the Cam shaft sensor (if fitted), and the Crank Shaft sensor, Both of these sensors have a habit of collecting small particles of carbon and steel particles which reduces the needed space gap between sensor and component. Simply rubbing the end of the sensor on a clean rag can sometimes solve a lot of problems.

 

The MAF senspr you will find close to the Air Filter, the cam shaft sensor if fitted will be at the end of the cam shaft and the crank sensor should be on top of the bell housing at the joint between bell housing and engine,

Edited April 15, 2017 by Rookie2

[TonyH]

Hi

 

1st - check the battery voltage, these engines are notorious for running badly on a bad or uncharged battery, they have to have FULL charge at all times, failure to do this will result in all sorts of strange diag codes.

 

2nd = Unplug the MAF sensor when the engine os running normally and make sure that the unplugging of the sonsort makes a difference to how the engine runs. No difference would suggest that the sensor is faulty. Also unplug the sensor when the engine is running badly and not the difference.

 

3rd = remove and clean both the Cam shaft sensor (if fitted), and the Crank Shaft sensor, Both of these sensors have a habit of collecting small particles of carbon and steel particles which reduces the needed space gap between sensor and component. Simply rubbing the end of the sensor on a clean rag can sometimes solve a lot of problems.

 

The MAF senspr you will find close to the Air Filter, the cam shaft sensor if fitted will be at the end of the cam shaft and the crank sensor should be on top of the bell housing at the joint between bell housing and engine,

Thank you very much Rookie2 for your reply.

Re: battery charge, battery could be an area to check as it did need a jump start from where it had been left standing for about 3 weeks, and didn't want to know when first tried. Crank sensor....Should be able to find that okay, but I imagine there will be sensors all over the place so re the MAF and camshaft sensors, can you give an idiot's guide for what to look for please, so i unplug the right things.

 

Thank you again

[Rookie2]

Hi

 

The MAF sensor you will find very close to your air filter, should look something like this  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Air-flow-mass-meter-MAF-sensor-Citroen-C2-C3-xsara-peugeot-206-307-1-4-HDi-/370910848306?fits=Model%3AXsara&hash=item565c026532:m:mV_bvfcY3L5U8e23LBAko8w

 

Cam shaft sensor will be found at end of camshaft and looks like this (if fitted) looks like this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sensor-camshaft-position-FEBI-BILSTEIN-Citroen-Saxo-1-4-VTS-Electric-/191890989763?fits=Model%3AXsara%7CCars+Year%3A2002&hash=item2cad9822c3:g:lrMAAOSwQupXVujR however remember you will only see the mounting plate on the top and not the barrel part of it.

 

cheers

[TonyH]

Hi

 

The MAF sensor you will find very close to your air filter, should look something like this  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Air-flow-mass-meter-MAF-sensor-Citroen-C2-C3-xsara-peugeot-206-307-1-4-HDi-/370910848306?fits=Model%3AXsara&hash=item565c026532:m:mV_bvfcY3L5U8e23LBAko8w

 

Cam shaft sensor will be found at end of camshaft and looks like this (if fitted) looks like this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sensor-camshaft-position-FEBI-BILSTEIN-Citroen-Saxo-1-4-VTS-Electric-/191890989763?fits=Model%3AXsara|Cars+Year%3A2002&hash=item2cad9822c3:g:lrMAAOSwQupXVujR however remember you will only see the mounting plate on the top and not the barrel part of it.

 

cheers

 

Perfect. I know what i will be doing in the morning. Thank you and let's see what happens.

[TonyH]

Hmmmmm. MAF???? Taking a couple of photos of what's under the bonnet. Hopefully one shows what I am presuming is the location of the crank sensor you mentioned, but the other...MAF and camshaft?

Also, once all located, inspected, cleaned and refitted, if problem persists, what sort of cost should I be expecting to have a Citroen garage hook it up and try to diagnose the fault?

[paul.h]

Your car looks as if it does not have a MAF so will use the MAP sensor which on your second photo is at the left end of the section after the throttle valve.

 

 P0200 Injector Circuit Malfunction - It could be one of the fuel injectors is faulty or the wiring/connector. We had 2 injectors go on our 2003 1.4 petrol C3 and they needed replacing. Have a look at the coil on each injector and see if the holes in them show the coil is rusty - the C3 is prone to water getting on them from the washer jets/piping and they fail.

[TonyH]

Thank you paul.h

MAP sensor......When I was having a look earlier and checking the charging system etc, I did wiggle the connections on so e sensors and unplugged that sensor (MAP) which stopped the engine. So at least it would appear that works. I will do the checks you mention and see how I get on.

The plastic housing that has the wiring to the MAP sensor running across the top of it.....Is that the cover for the coil packs you mention?

Sorry for asking what to most probably seem daft questions but all help and guidance is very much appreciated.

[paul.h]

That cover is the coil pack.

[TonyH]

Cleaned throttle body, replaced suspect battery for new one, replaced spark plugs, coil pack looked clean, no signs of water having got down plug tubes. Road test...Great for about 3 miles then fault reappeared.

 

In to dealership for diagnostic hook up???

[paul.h]

If nothing obvious can be found it will be cost effective to use a dealer, otherwise you could replace lots of parts before finding out what is wrong.

[TonyH]

Well have moved on a little bit. 1 month left on the MoT, so had that done at the weekend, to get an idea of what would be needed on that side before plodding on further with investigations into engine problems. Nothing overly drastic will be needed to get the failure turned into a pass, so decided to get car into garage for diagnostics.

Turns out ECU outputs are fine as is the state of the injector harness. The problem apparently lies with the injectors, of which I have been told I need to replace the set of 4.

So here is my question. In an ideal world, I could afford to buy genuine Citroen injectors but I am not living in that world and would appreciate some advice regarding alternatives please.

Are these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Petrol-Fuel-Injector-Citroen-Berlingo-C2-C3-Saxo-Xsara-1-4-i-1984E0-BRAND-NEW-/261889124950?hash=item3cf9ceea56:g:MDIAAOSw7PBTmcLC any good, or should I steer well clear?

 

The car is only going to be doing about 12 miles a day so can't justify sky high prices, but do need the car to run as it should.....

 

Look forward to any advice e you may have.

 

Thank you.

[paul.h]

I do not know what a Citroen dealer would charge for the injectors but the ones on ebay are listed as the right ones for your car and it says are by the original manufacturer Sagem - so they should be ok. Fitting them does not seem to be too much bother and you do not seem to need any diagnostics to code them to the car.

 

If unsure you could start by buying 1 and see how you get on. There seem to be some even cheaper on ebay if you search on the part no. 1984E0.