C4VTS Posted April 5, 2007 Posted April 5, 2007 I think that would be true for RWD cars but not FWD. ? Have seen it mentioned plenty of times, but not many do that. Quote
wozza Posted April 5, 2007 Posted April 5, 2007 Well if you go into a hard bend if the front tyres are grippy it means the back end will brake traction first resulting in oversteer. If the front tyres brake traction it results in understeer which is safer to the average driver? Its the same for front and rear wheel drive. And a lot of places now should only let the car out with new tyres on the rear there supposed to only fit new tyres on the rear now. Quote
C4VTS Posted April 5, 2007 Posted April 5, 2007 I have had loads of sets of new front tyres in my lifetime, and never once has a tyre dealer told me they are going to put the new tyres on the rear. Quote
lab44 Posted April 5, 2007 Posted April 5, 2007 As far as I am aware the front tyres should always be the newest - after all its the front that does all the work on a front wheel drive car (hence they always tend to wear the quickest). Though of course if you should always be careful with brand new tyres until they are run in. Quote
wozza Posted April 6, 2007 Posted April 6, 2007 Next time your in a dealer have a look on the walls they will have similar notices so will most kwikfits etc. A few places wont even let you put new tyres on the front. Friend of mine had some new tyres fitted the other day they rotated them round and put them on the rear as well. http://www.michelin.co.uk/uk/auto/auto_cons_bib_pqr_neuf.jsp Think about it if your on a wet road and you aquaplane you will lose grip at the rear first if the tyres are half worn there. Where as the fronts will still be gripping resulting in you spinning. Where as if it was the other way round the front would of let go first resulting in understeer which is a little safer mid bend than spinning. It makes perfect sense if you actually think about what the cars doing and not what the front tyres are doing but the car as a whole. Yes the fronts have to steer and provide movement but the rear is what keeps you in place around a bend. Quote
Z3M Roadster Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 I always have and always will have the newest rubber put on the front. If you are braking you want the best grip at the front and as such the newest tyres, no one in their right mind would put the newest tyres on the rear. Quote
ham's c4vts Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 im very surprised that a main dealer wouldnt of put the original tyres (michelins) on the car that it came with? Quote
C4VTS Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 im very surprised that a main dealer wouldnt of put the original tyres (michelins) on the car that it came with? I would not have let the Citroen dealer fit any tyres to my car if I had the choice.The dealer is not the police, and it's upto you if you drive with 'illegal' tyres until you find a better deal. They charged me £25 per wheel just for balancing when i was not happy with wheel vibration.I would imagine them charging £300 for each Michelin tyre if they were given the chance! Quote
kfk Posted April 8, 2007 Posted April 8, 2007 im very surprised that a main dealer wouldnt of put the original tyres (michelins) on the car that it came with? We always offer Michelins to customers as first choice, and a quality alternative if the customer wants something more budget. I recon 50% of our customers choose to buy tyres else where with the remainder split between budget and OE tyres. With regard to those customers who purchase elsewhere, they are all offered the chance to see if i can beat the price they have been quoted on a like for like basis......in some instances the price difference is a matter of a few pounds but they will still choose to take a car elsewhere to have tyres fitted. Someone else passed comment about being charged for Wheel Balance......i charge for balancing wheels where we dont supply the tyres......if the person who has sold the tyres isn't making enough money to buy the correct tools to do the job why should i subsidise them?......yes customers get the hump over it, but tell me this, why should i do it for nothing? I am quite happy to say that all my Michelin prices are comparable with quickfit and where possible they are cheaper. Many will say that Quickfit arnt the cheapest and i would agree with that, but as a benchmark on the high street thats the price you should be expecting to pay, if your getting your tyres cheaper good luck to you........if it costs you to get your wheels balanced.....well thats the risk. And finally........ one of the most common reasons for customers declining tyres...... they dont want to pay the price because its only the wifes car! Quote
kfk Posted April 8, 2007 Posted April 8, 2007 I would not have let the Citroen dealer fit any tyres to my car if I had the choice.The dealer is not the police, and it's upto you if you drive with 'illegal' tyres until you find a better deal. They charged me £25 per wheel just for balancing when i was not happy with wheel vibration.I would imagine them charging £300 for each Michelin tyre if they were given the chance! I dont care whether a car has bald tyres or not......i do wonder that customers have a perception that they dont need to replace a tyre until its worn to 1.6mm. Your tyres worn to 2.0mm.......so how long will it last?.......who cares, its nearly worn out, if i tell you when its 1.6mm you point out it was ok last week! Quote
xavtia Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 When my xsara needed a tyre for its mot the dealer rang me up and asked me what I wanted to do, they gave me a price for the tyre and I rang the local tyre place and found one cheaper so just collected the car had the tyre changed and took it back, so I dont think all dealers can be assumed to be the same. I do take responsibility because I could have checked the tyres before letting it go to the dealers. Quote
Rich_Eason Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 I dont care whether a car has bald tyres or not......i do wonder that customers have a perception that they dont need to replace a tyre until its worn to 1.6mm. Your tyres worn to 2.0mm.......so how long will it last?.......who cares, its nearly worn out, if i tell you when its 1.6mm you point out it was ok last week! The nations perceptions on tyre wear is frightning. No matter how much skill or lessons you had your tyres are the only thing that keep you in control on the road. If they are starting to wear out get them changed, as KFK says dont wait until the indicators start showing or wait for the tapping noise from the carcass as this is too late. I think a reward from Bobby is 3 points/£1000 a corner Safety first kiddies :blink: A freind of mine had a company car with tyre replacement contract at Slowfit. When he took them in to be replaced they kept on sending him away as he had another "250miles left on them"... this went on until they told him he had 50miles to go. The likes of Slowfit giving out info like this to Jo Public are just to blame. If they'd done it to me I would have done a wheel spin or something to get the wear down in their car park. That said it was only a 1.4 and a bit of a shed anyway. Quote
Mike5483 Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 Ive just purchased some Falken FK452's online at http://www.falkentyres.co.uk/index.asp They are selling them for £64.31 each!!! They are Y rated so more then high enough for the C4. Delivery is free, and it says its next day delivery, although having only just ordered them (at 16:55), I maybe pushing it a bit!!! Quote
idlerobbo Posted April 10, 2007 Author Posted April 10, 2007 wish i'd seen them... :-( im left with some ***oops*** ones. hindsight hey... Quote
Z3M Roadster Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 A freind of mine had a company car with tyre replacement contract at Slowfit. When he took them in to be replaced they kept on sending him away as he had another "250miles left on them"... this went on until they told him he had 50miles to go. This is probably because they know they won't get authority to replace them from the lease company until the tyres are knackered. The company I work for also has a contract with Kwikfit and officially we are only allowed crappy tyres, however Kwikfit are always more than willing to be conveniently out of stock of everything apart from Michelins if I ask them nicely. Quote
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