al8888 Posted March 22, 2009 Posted March 22, 2009 Hi I'm about to book in to a gearbox specialist to check out the gearbox as its developed a fault. I actually was in the process of driving to a garage to diagnose the service fault / airbag message. The diags cam back with remote fault vehicle speed sent by abs (CAN) no signal. Not sure if this would effect the 1st gear engaging. Just revs and slight biting. But if I switch to manual and stick it to 2nd it is ok. This only happends when at moving from standstill. On D when in slow traffic it is ok. I think they was water damage at some time. Any help would be much appreciated as I'm sure the prognosis from the garage would be a new gearbox at ££££ and then some. Which I dont mind if that was the case Quote
coastline taxis Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 If you think theres been water damage and in any case youl need to get the oil in the box changed. Dont be tempted to get anyone other than the dealer to do this it cost £50 at town center citroen (sorry techbod ha ha) icluding the oil as its a procedure that isnt easy as the oil has to bee heated to 80ish degrees to get the right level also it not bog standard atf fluid in it, The box has its own ecu so a diagnostic should show the fault up straight away, Id bet its one or more of the hydraulic solenoids (fairly easy job) Quote
al8888 Posted March 23, 2009 Author Posted March 23, 2009 If you think theres been water damage and in any case youl need to get the oil in the box changed. Dont be tempted to get anyone other than the dealer to do this it cost £50 at town center citroen (sorry techbod ha ha) icluding the oil as its a procedure that isnt easy as the oil has to bee heated to 80ish degrees to get the right level also it not bog standard atf fluid in it, The box has its own ecu so a diagnostic should show the fault up straight away, Id bet its one or more of the hydraulic solenoids (fairly easy job) I thought as much..I called citroen delaer today and its 106 fluid change and 45+ vat diag.. I wish I lived near your town centre..who knows what the cost of a hydraulic solenoid at toomeys will be .:o Quote
coastline taxis Posted March 23, 2009 Posted March 23, 2009 I thought as much..I called citroen delaer today and its 106 fluid change and 45+ vat diag.. I wish I lived near your town centre..who knows what the cost of a hydraulic solenoid at toomeys will be .:osolenoids are roughly tenner each if its going to cost you silly money at ur dealers im sure they might post them for you if not pay with your card and il post them for you Quote
al8888 Posted March 24, 2009 Author Posted March 24, 2009 solenoids are roughly tenner each if its going to cost you silly money at ur dealers im sure they might post them for you if not pay with your card and il post them for youThanks for your help, been advised to change the abs sensor first..appeared onthe diag then hopefullyits the right one. then off to garage for diag and fluid change and if I have some cash left fix the other things on the diag.. will keep you posted..cheers Quote
al8888 Posted March 27, 2009 Author Posted March 27, 2009 Car came back from the dealers after having the atf changed. They showed me the milky mixture that came out..recommend I do another change to flush it through so abit of a double whammy on the cost. Not even sure if the auto gearbox is gonna live. Quote
coastline taxis Posted March 28, 2009 Posted March 28, 2009 got to be done. did they do a diagnostic on it aswell Quote
al8888 Posted March 28, 2009 Author Posted March 28, 2009 Car came back from the dealers after having the atf changed. They showed me the milky mixture that came out..recommend I do another change to flush it through so abit of a double whammy on the cost. Not even sure if the auto gearbox is gonna live. Yep cleared the clutch slip fault..showed me the oil that came out and also the manual about keeping engine between 58 -68 degrees when filling. Recommend I drive for 100miles before taking it back to mix it up and drain again..thanks for your help on this..probably would've ended up with a dead c5 otherwise Quote
al8888 Posted March 28, 2009 Author Posted March 28, 2009 What was the cost.? It was £82 for oil and labour, hopefully less next time as I wont need two bottles as there was spare. Quote
al8888 Posted March 31, 2009 Author Posted March 31, 2009 It was £82 for oil and labour, hopefully less next time as I wont need two bottles as there was spare. Back from oil change number 2 and now its worse..no 1st or reverse. Dealer doesnt have a clue..mentioned something about the torque converter. Does it sound like the solenoid shifter? Tiptronic allows it to pull from 2nd ok.. Just also realised that its fine when cold..ie problem occurs about 20mins of driving. Just started the car and it engaged ok. Quote
coastline taxis Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 what was the condition of the oil on the second change. could be the clutches but its only a guess. maybe its time to take it to a auto specalist. weve got a auto box(al4 type) sitting in the corner the clutches have gone on it and your more than welcome to it as they should be able to make a good box out of the 2 of them if you want to go down that road. What age/mileage/is your car Quote
al8888 Posted March 31, 2009 Author Posted March 31, 2009 what was the condition of the oil on the second change. could be the clutches but its only a guess. maybe its time to take it to a auto specalist. weve got a auto box(al4 type) sitting in the corner the clutches have gone on it and your more than welcome to it as they should be able to make a good box out of the 2 of them if you want to go down that road. What age/mileage/is your car the oil still had traces of water not clear but yellow ..guessing about 5- 10 % water possibly. Mechanic said prob be ok for 6mnths or a few thousand miles. The car is 03 with 56k.full service history prior to water damage. I'll make a few calls to some auto places. Just really wierd that it happends when hot. I drove30miles over the weekend with no probs. Then they changed the oil a couple of times today and drove away then had problems. My conclusion is that it was car was already warm and hence the problems occurred quickly. Even problems getting the car in the drive. Just went back started ok and gears worked. Quote
coastline taxis Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 Have you got any idea how the water got in. when the oil heats up it thins out but with it being new oil that shoudnt be the cause hear. also what type of box is in it as ive got some info on auto baxes and will look it up Quote
al8888 Posted April 1, 2009 Author Posted April 1, 2009 It was in flood water so my guess is the breather hole on the AL4. Most ppl have said to dump the car which I'm coming round to the idea..Seems such a shame as the rest of it is quite good. Also had quotes of 1200- 2000 to change the gbox which probably moves it to the uneconomical repair bracket. A chap did say that there is a particle filter that may be getting clogged up as the oil is getting hot and therefore causing slippage. I would have thought it would be on all gears and not just 1st and R. But what do I know. Will head off to another garage and let them do a diagnostic on it edit: Looks like its going to be expensive so off goes the c5 I'm afraid..many thanks for your help..tis a shame to bin a nice car Quote
coastline taxis Posted April 1, 2009 Posted April 1, 2009 slow down dont go scraping it just yet.as your telling more and more of how the water got in wich wasnt realy clear in your original posting. if the water was over the top of the box then you could have a sensor fault or electrical fault. did you buy the car a damaged/repairable or have you owned it before the water got in. was the car driving ok then developed the fault or has it been like that since you got it Quote
coastline taxis Posted April 1, 2009 Posted April 1, 2009 slow down dont go scraping it just yet.as your telling more and more of how the water got in wich wasnt realy clear in your original posting. if the water was over the top of the box then you could have a sensor fault or electrical fault. did you buy the car a damaged/repairable or have you owned it before the water got in. was the car driving ok then developed the fault or has it been like that since you got it Quote
al8888 Posted April 2, 2009 Author Posted April 2, 2009 slow down dont go scraping it just yet.as your telling more and more of how the water got in wich wasnt realy clear in your original posting. if the water was over the top of the box then you could have a sensor fault or electrical fault. did you buy the car a damaged/repairable or have you owned it before the water got in. was the car driving ok then developed the fault or has it been like that since you got it Hi it was a cat d from flood damaged area..no other info tho water in lens and debris in the boot well points to the same. Funnily i found a local place that would do a auto gearbox fitted for 1k pick up with 6mnths warranty which may help things. Definately something related to getting hot. Ended up in limp mode on the way home yesterday Its funny as every garage I have spoken to has done the sucking through teeth thing.. I still like the car and it is pretty much solid except gearbox. I'm chewing through the idea of a new gearbox. Quote
coastline taxis Posted April 2, 2009 Posted April 2, 2009 Hi it was a cat d from flood damaged area..no other info tho water in lens and debris in the boot well points to the same. Funnily i found a local place that would do a auto gearbox fitted for 1k pick up with 6mnths warranty which may help things. Definately something related to getting hot. Ended up in limp mode on the way home yesterday Its funny as every garage I have spoken to has done the sucking through teeth thing.. I still like the car and it is pretty much solid except gearbox. I'm chewing through the idea of a new gearbox.Thats a very fair price if you want to keep the car then id be taking them up on the offer. If the box was submerged in water then run i would think the clutches(friction material) would be goosed also id be very suprised if the seals on the hydraulic solienoids wernt gone aswell Quote
al8888 Posted April 23, 2009 Author Posted April 23, 2009 Thats a very fair price if you want to keep the car then id be taking them up on the offer. If the box was submerged in water then run i would think the clutches(friction material) would be goosed also id be very suprised if the seals on the hydraulic solienoids wernt gone aswell I knew it would be too good to be true..apparently after two gear boxes there seems to be a problem with the car changing gears..a gearbox ecu problem. it will drive but will get stuck in gear..more cash.. Quote
coastline taxis Posted April 23, 2009 Posted April 23, 2009 I knew it would be too good to be true..apparently after two gear boxes there seems to be a problem with the car changing gears..a gearbox ecu problem. it will drive but will get stuck in gear..more cash..Hi ive got a auto ecu sitting here doing nothing and your more than welcome to it if its anygood to you. will get the numbers of it tomorow if its compatable il post it to you. Also check with kfk and ianezz to see if they can be swapped and whats involved with reprogramming them Quote
al8888 Posted April 24, 2009 Author Posted April 24, 2009 Hi ive got a auto ecu sitting here doing nothing and your more than welcome to it if its anygood to you. will get the numbers of it tomorow if its compatable il post it to you. Also check with kfk and ianezz to see if they can be swapped and whats involved with reprogramming them hi, that would be great..spoke to the dealer who said that ecu shouldnt have been damaged on a gearbox change..hmm bit dubious about the workmanship so far..still if it sorts it out I will be happy to get the car back.. I've asked the garage for the ecu numbers to match. thx for your help Quote
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