In The Name Of God?

JoeBlunt · February 6, 2003

So many terrorists hide behind their God, using religion as a reason to kill, in Northern Ireland people are out blowing people up in the morning and sitting in church in the evening confessing - Crazy eh?

February 6, 2003

Joe,

It has always been the same :( so many wars have been 'Gods' will' or 'In the name of God' all through history. The crusades were a 'holy' war. The use of relgion as a defence for killing has and always been a fairly safe bet. As for Ireland, it was once a single nation, irrespective of religion, until the king or queen of england stuck their oar in. As for the IRA etc, they also have their historic counterparts. In the late 1800s' early 1900s' they were the 'Fenians' and such.

Personally, and this is only my own personal belief, but religion was originally a way of keeping the masses under the thumb. It was a forerunner to law and order, that is all. I don't hold with religion and don't believe in a 'One True God'. That doesn't mean other people are wrong for believing, just that I don't. We all believe in different things, and if Fred says the gnome at the bottom of his garden is God,then in my mind he is as right as anyone else. :D

That said, I was christened RC,and educated RC, which is probably why I don't believe :D

rhino · February 6, 2003

i think it's sad when people are starving and churches have wealth, surely that's not in the name of god!

what about all the peadaphiles in religion,how can that be right when the people above them ,know and do nothing. i believe in god but not religion, i think you will be judged on how you are to others and not by how many times a week you pray or go to church.

rob 1.8exc :rolleyes:

if ya gona do it, do it with belief :ph34r:

hedgehog · February 7, 2003

You can't blame God for religion. As long as humans are in charge of the churches and religious institutions of the world they will be run under their leaders' agenda, whether that is spreading peace and love or rousing the easily-led into becoming suicide bombers.

I believe in God, but am less enthusiastic about organised religion, particularly as I was made officially unwelcome in my local church after I decided to marry a lady from an alternative one.

JoeBlunt · February 7, 2003

I was made officially unwelcome in my local church after I decided to marry a lady from an alternative one.

Yeah I know what you mean, I was divorced and wanted to remarry but all the churches looked down their noses at me. Fortunately the methodist church in my wifes home town of Preston said they'd marry us.

What makes me laugh is vicars can stand up and pray/forgive murderers but refuse to marry someone who's divorced! Just dont make sense to me!

February 7, 2003

Big D,

are also many people who are committed to their faith & try to live as their religion teaches .

And rightly so, but shouldn't these people be trying to get through to the ones who use the same religion as an excuse for killing? Either that or kicking them out of the church, to help keep the church away from the killing? Surely, it is down to the church to deal with these people, just as here on the group we have an AUP, there are similar things relating to the church and membership of the church.

Like I said, I was educated RC. The standard practices I should have gone through were: First Confession, First Communion and Confirmation. I was allowed to do the first 2, but as I was asking too many questions and no longer going to mass each week, they refused to Confirm me. If this can be done, then surely there should be rules to get rid of the radicals.

rhino · February 7, 2003

joe, i can't believe it, you have my respect for all your postings,but

you got away once,then you did it again, are you mad!

think of the extra miles you could do in the pic without another half! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

rob 1.8exc :rolleyes:

if ya gona do it, do it with style :ph34r:

February 7, 2003

Big D,

you cannot prevent 'madmen' from attaching themselves to any type of group or cause.

Sad but true :(

funkysi · February 8, 2003

My philosophy is 'Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself', seems to work on the whole.

Interesting that there are very few positive comments, does this mean we are all damned or are we about to get caught up in an evangelistic mass hysteria?! :rolleyes:

JoeBlunt · February 8, 2003

My philosophy is 'Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself', seems to work on the whole.
Interesting that there are very few positive comments, does this mean we are all damned or are we about to get caught up in an evangelistic mass hysteria?! :rolleyes:

In an ideal world this is probably the right attitude, but its far from ideal isn't it? I think people have lost alot of confidence in the Church and Religion. Many people are like myself, my family is my God and my home is my Temple.

Its hard to feel positive when you witness things such as the Sept 11 incident, obviously man caused that but I never saw anyones God stepping in to prevent such a horrid fate for those poor people.

February 8, 2003

Funkysi,

does this mean we are all damned or are we about to get caught up in an evangelistic mass hysteria?!

If some people are to be believed, we're all damned and pretty soon too. Have you ever heard of something called 'The Bible Code'? :D If that's to be believed we are already in 'the end of days' and due to face apocalypse in a couple of years!! :D :D

So if enough 'religious maniacs' latch on to it, yes we'll get the evangelists too! :D :D

Dan Gleebitz · February 8, 2003

So the end of the world is nigh ... emmmmm

Any one want to buy a 2.0HDi SX, 2002, 5k miles, one owner ... going cheap!

February 8, 2003

Dan, you'd be better asking Ian at DFP the car :P

As for the end is nigh, we will all know when the commander of the vogon constructer fleet arrives :D :D

funkysi · February 9, 2003

Damm it! And I've just paid for a 12K service too.

I'll know better next time...............ah, but there won't be a next time

were all doomed..doomed. :o

February 9, 2003

Funkysi,

ah, but there won't be a next time
were all doomed..doomed.

Enough about the evengelists, what about the apocalypse? :D :D

funkysi · February 10, 2003

what about the apocalypse?

Is that a new citroen? :huh:

I can't keep up :blink:

Lancelot · February 24, 2003

The Religious debate has seemed to dry up. I'm not religious. I believe that it is the biggest confidence trick on mankind,

ever invented.

Can believers tell me that they think there is a thing, or person floating about in the clouds who controls the world. He is responsible for the action of billions of people in the world. He must be busy. Please don't quote the bible. It is no different to a newspaper. Where is the proof that there is a God? Why do insurance companies get away with saying "It was an act of God" If so, why can't we sue the church? It was their Chief Executive's fault.

If there is a God, was he bored on September 11th, and thought "I'll have a bit of fun"

Remember this is 2003 not 1553. People are not as blind as they once were.

Lancelot · February 24, 2003

what about the apocalypse?
Is that a new citroen? :huh:

I can't keep up :blink:

>>Is that a new citroen? :huh:

>>I can't keep up :blink:

Don't drink so much before you go to bed!

Rob Roy · February 24, 2003

I believe there's a God. What I can't accept is that God is responsible for all the bad actions mentioned above. I believe we have freedom of action, and that God is blamed if things go wrong - much like youngsters won't accept fault, or blame others if they're caught out doing wrong.

Lancelot · February 25, 2003

I believe there's a God. What I can't accept is that God is responsible for all the bad actions mentioned

OK where is this God? Floating in Cyberspace. What do you thinK? I think that it is a silly suggestion that there is such a person.

If, as you say, he exists, surely as a God, he must control EVERYTHING, and let's face it he is doing a lousy job, and should be replaced. To say that individuals do nasty things can't be right because you believe in him. He decides.

Could it be that on September 11th he took a bribe from the Muslims?

Face up to it. It was just a big confidence trick to control the masses many years ago, and is still working with some people, although if you look at church attendances are falling dramatically.

People are waking up after almost 2,000 of waffle. Do you believe in Father Christmas, ghosts, or faires?

I believe in fairies as there were two queers living in a house near ours.

hedgehog · February 25, 2003

God doesn't need to control everything. If He did then the universe would be a boring place for Him. Far better to leave us to our own devices and be entertained by what happens.

And it's not God that's a means of oppressing and controlling the masses, but organised religion, run by human beings, sometimes on His behalf and at other times for their own ends.

Lancelot · February 25, 2003

God doesn't need to control everything. If He did then the universe would be a boring place for Him. Far better to leave us to our own devices and be entertained by what happens.

He must have been well entertained by watching the events of September 11th on TV.

Has he got time to be bored? If he exists, where is he, and why doesn't he sort out the world's problems, instead of sitting back and being entertained while everyone make a mess in his name?

Why did he allow the Shuttle to disintigrate? Was he being entertained that day? He must have a funny sense of humour.

Please show me him, then I might believe, but in the meantime I'll never believe the crap that is put out in his name by churches and people.

I've waited 65 years, and he hasn't shown himself yet.

I don't wish to offend by these postings, but it does seem all so silly to think that he is floaing around. Time people got a real life.

hedgehog · February 25, 2003

Oooh you do like to take things out of context, pairing the term entertainment with a short list of some of the more horrific episodes in recent history. No point in entering into a long drawn-out argument, either you believe or you don't.

Speaking of how something might be viewed as entertainment, on a smaller, human, scale I am completely baffled by the way large numbers of people are entertained by watching two strong men in a ring beating the s**t out of each other...

February 25, 2003

If there is a God, in the usual sense, he is probably too busy contemplating his navel, to bother with us mere mortals.

Lancelot · February 26, 2003

Oooh you do like to take things out of context, pairing the term entertainment with a short list of some of the more horrific episodes in recent history. No point in entering into a long drawn-out argument, either you believe or you don't.

OK show me some of the good things he has done, like feeding the starving people of the world. If he could do it once, why not again.

All that I want is for someone to show me this Superman, or prove that he exists. It's no good him just existing in people's minds.

If he is floating around, let him reveal himself. It shouldn't be that difficult. After all it only took him 6 days to make the earth. (He rested on the 7th)

So he must be clever.

I'd rather believe that the earth took millions of years to evolve.

People have been worshipping him for a couple of thousand years, and yet he hides in the clouds.

Who are you kidding? Show us something positive.

I would like to be convinced, but presently it's like saying that if you park next to a B.P Fuel tanker your next tank full of petrol will last longer.

Anyone believe in the Loch Ness Monster?

You might as well pray to the devil. Now where is he?

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