Definitely not in a gear where the car is trying to keep the engine running and pushing it along that way, normally in 4th or 5th at about 2k revs. Tried the limiter but that doesn't work, will cut the fuel supply when you hit 40 but doesn't stop the natural momentum of the car so it just picks up speed and starts beeping that i am going over the limiter speed! More worried about the police that quite often sit in the petrol station at the bottom of the hill with their speed gun :rolleyes: I was taught more to use the natural engine braking to slow rather than heavy braking as well, guess it's just going to take a bit of getting used to and using lower gears on the hills. Will give it a proper test soon, don't know if anyone knows Telegraph/Haldon Hill (two very steep hills) by Exeter where the A38 turns into the M5, used to be able to go down there in the 206 in 5th with the engine keeping the car at 70 (ish!) not needing any manual braking, shall see what the results are with the C4