Well... took the Pluriel in today for another leak fix, and asked what price they would give me for the car. The salesman was falling over himself trying not to lose me as a customer and is now trying to talk me into a C2 VTR with top spec which they have in stock brand new. The price on the screen is over 13K and the manager is offering it to me for 4500 plus the Pluriel! Which means that in effect he's prepared to give me £9000 trade in to keep my custom! Which would be great except I'm not that keen on the C2 and my girlfriend hates it, but at least it gives me more bargaining power (have passed the details to the Mini dealership and told them to up their offer or I go elsewhere) :blink: Happy bargain hunting everyone!