C4 Vts Navidrive Current Version

[Guest Ben]

Hello, Will people please provide an update on the Navi Drive situation (especially relating to the C4).

 

My System is in a 2004 C4 VTS bought second hand with a "non-original" CD in the slot. I did not get an original CD! It was bought from a Dealer and I still have plenty of used car warranty left if needed! I might ask for one but Im not sure what I need to ask for??

 

I have speed camera data which seems to be up-to-date!

The roads are up-to-date (more than my 2005 Tom Tom!)

The TMC works and there is a folder called RDSTMC on the CD.

I have used the TMC "in action" and it seemed good - it displayed the symbol for queing traffic on the M62 and diverted me successfully. In rush hour I used to get loads of messages (set for 12mile radius centred on car) so I have switched off the TMC announcment feature - and thankfully it still picks up those broadcasts that are actually on my route and gives me a diversion option to select "ok" or "cancel".

 

MY only complaint is that it once locked up when diverting me (but i was fiddling with it and it hasnt done this since) and also that when searching for an address that is not a recent one or at the other end of the country it is very SLOW!

 

I initially thought that this SLOW address search was because of the way it cached data into its small memeory assuming it is not a very powerfull computer - but I have since read that it may be due to a beta-release software?! IF anyone wants some of my folders from the CD to check please feel free to ask!?

 

 

IS speed camera data offered as standard?

 

Where does it come from?

 

What version of the CD should we have in the UK?

 

Does it included TMC data? (lots of old posts saying TMC wasnt yet licensed for use by Citroen - has this now changed?

 

Sometimes I get the Classic station and sometimes Galaxy selected by the navidrive unit - both seem to work - but then I wouldnt know if i was missing data so i cant be sure?!

 

Great forum - looking forward to reading future posts and helping out where I can! As a previous AlfaR driver I Love the Citroen and all its quirks :) Cars wouldnt be as fun if they were as reliable as a Voltswagen now would they?

[lee_marshuk]

initially thought that this SLOW address search was because of the way it cached data into its small memeory assuming it is not a very powerfull computer - but I have since read that it may be due to a beta-release software?! IF anyone wants some of my folders from the CD to check please feel free to ask!?

 

 

IS speed camera data offered as standard?

 

Where does it come from?

 

What version of the CD should we have in the UK?

 

Does it included TMC data? (lots of old posts saying TMC wasnt yet licensed for use by Citroen - has this now changed?

 

Sometimes I get the Classic station and sometimes Galaxy selected by the navidrive unit - both seem to work - but then I wouldnt know if i was missing data so i cant be sure?!

 

Great forum - looking forward to reading future posts and helping out where I can! As a previous AlfaR driver I Love the Citroen and all its quirks Cars wouldnt be as fun if they were as reliable as a Voltswagen now would they?

 

Hi!!

 

The slow address search isn't to do with the power of the RT3 - in fact, for the functions it performs, it is quite powerful - but the latest maps, pre-release or full, do not work well. You can expect a delay of up to 10 minutes to enter an address. Citroen are allegedly aware of the issue, but as yet there is no fix. I have performed extensive tests on the new CD as it drives me mad, and there doesn't seem to be a rhyme or reason for it.

 

The speed camera database is not offered. There are some websites where you can download and add POIs to the database e.g. speed cameras so I would imagine that's where you got that from.

 

Latest UK version is 1st Quarter 2007 I think.

 

Regards TMC, yes PSA have now signed a deal with TrafficMaster, not iTMC. This means that the latest CDs can receive TMC from TrafficMaster enabled stations. This includes, but is not limited to, Chrysalis Radio. Classic FM will definitely not work, this is the main provider for iTMC, which PSA do not have a license to use. You will, sadly, find that the RT3 locks onto Classic FM since it is the (pretty much) most widely broadcast channel for coverage. However, the RT3 is not clever enough to realise it doesn't have the codes to decode the TMC data, so it just sits there, receiving nothing. This is why sometimes you get in the car and get traffic info straight away (i.e. it's found a TrafficMaster station) and others you don't get the info till you get where you're going (i.e. it's found Classic). If you want traffic info desperately, move the RT3's traffic manually onto a Chrysalis station (Go to navigation, traffic information, filter, "TMC Station" - search).

 

The RT3 is a great unit, RT4 is better though - wish that had been out when I bought my car!

 

Hope this gives you a bit of insight - please feel free to ask more if you want, we're a pretty friendly lot here :)

[Guest Ben]

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The speed camera database is not offered. There are some websites where you can download and add POIs to the database e.g. speed cameras so I would imagine that's where you got that from.

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Latest UK version is 1st Quarter 2007 I think.

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Im interested to know how the POIs are created? Is this something we can do ourselves - they aappear to be binary rather than text files? Also, its a shame you cant make it sound a noise when you are near a POI - on Tom Tom I had an alert for speed camera and a "moo" for farms and zoos :)

 

If anyone has info on how to create/edit POIs for the RT3 NaviDrive please post it!!

 

Where do we get original CDs from? Dealer? The dealer told my girlfriend that he thought it might be cheaper to look on Siemen VDO site - but they dont seem to stock the C4 version?

 

And finally Im assuming the new original CD now works fully with TMC? IT would be good if there was a programmers guide for this product? Someone somewhere must have a lot of info?!?

 

Finally, Im am pleased with how mine works - especially now I know about the slowness and the TMC vs iTMC problem so i probably dont need to fiddle and (as I would probably loose the speed camera info) - I think the term is "dont give a snake legs".

 

Ben.

[Welshguy]

Check out :

 

http://www.eurovan2.com/forum/rt3-rt4/

 

The guys and gals on the forums are experts in the RT3/RT4 systems - they should be able to help you with any question you can think of!

 

Hope this helps!

[lee_marshuk]

Im interested to know how the POIs are created? Is this something we can do ourselves - they aappear to be binary rather than text files? Also, its a shame you cant make it sound a noise when you are near a POI - on Tom Tom I had an alert for speed camera and a "moo" for farms and zoos

 

If anyone has info on how to create/edit POIs for the RT3 NaviDrive please post it!!

 

Where do we get original CDs from? Dealer? The dealer told my girlfriend that he thought it might be cheaper to look on Siemen VDO site - but they dont seem to stock the C4 version?

 

And finally Im assuming the new original CD now works fully with TMC? IT would be good if there was a programmers guide for this product? Someone somewhere must have a lot of info?!?

 

Finally, Im am pleased with how mine works - especially now I know about the slowness and the TMC vs iTMC problem so i probably dont need to fiddle and (as I would probably loose the speed camera info) - I think the term is "dont give a snake legs".

 

Ben.

 

Hi Ben!

 

Checkout Welshy's link to the Eurovan forums - they explain how to create POIs, however it is not possible to make it alert/make a noise near them.

 

Original CDs are only from the dealer now - don't know why they told you to look at the Siemens VDO site, since the RT3 is made by Magneti Marelli, not Siemens. You used to be able to get the new NavTeq CDs straight from them, however this was changed last year.

 

The new original CD does work with TMC - check out the "TrafficMaster" logo in the bottom right hand corner of the DVD case before you purchase.

 

Cheers!

[C4VTS]

the RT3 locks onto Classic FM since it is the (pretty much) most widely broadcast channel for coverage. However, the RT3 is not clever enough to realise it doesn't have the codes to decode the TMC data, so it just sits there, receiving nothing.

 

The RT3 is not necessarily at fault, as owners of Garmin,Navman, and TomTom traffic receivers also have the same problems receiving traffic information. The problem is caused by the UK radio signals being transmitted at low power. If you read the forums on PocketGPS world, the issues are well documented by all satnav owners with traffic modules.

I am using TomTom on my phone and getting the traffic info via the TomTom GPRS subscription, and this works very well.

Was considering getting a receiver with the free traffic info, but all the current models do not work properly.

[Guest Ben]

Great, thanks for all the info :)

Following the above link to EV2 website heres what I have established that I have...

CD Info: Navteq UK 2006/2007

Unit Ref: 9659651877

Screen Ref: 9655995280

Software Ver Unit: 6.6D, 05/08/05, CD:06.95

Software Ver Screen: C30CD0C35

+ POIs for speed cameras.

I am pretty sure this lot is the latest version (certainly for the RT3 installed in a C4).

Happy to help other newbies (like myself) - just PM me.

[lee_marshuk]

The RT3 is not necessarily at fault, as owners of Garmin,Navman, and TomTom traffic receivers also have the same problems receiving traffic information. The problem is caused by the UK radio signals being transmitted at low power. If you read the forums on PocketGPS world, the issues are well documented by all satnav owners with traffic modules.

I am using TomTom on my phone and getting the traffic info via the TomTom GPRS subscription, and this works very well.

Was considering getting a receiver with the free traffic info, but all the current models do not work properly.

 

Agreed, however it's not the problem in this case. The problem with the RT3 is it doesn't understand the difference between decoded and encoded TMC broadcasts. It only has a license to decode TrafficMaster, not iTMC. So thus, as it locks on to Classic FM broadcasting iTMC, it thinks it has a valid TMC signal and doesn't move on - it doesn't realise it has not been decoded because it doesn't have a license for it.

 

Allegedly the problem has been fixed in the RT4, since it allows you to exclude stations from the TMC list - however I have yet to see it to confirm - will have a chat with my friend from Magneti Marelli when I can and re-post.