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Hey everyone I'm a moderator over from the 107 owners club (www.107oc.com)

 

Thought I had better pop my head in and have a look hopefully dish out some advice on the things I've learned during ownership :blink::)

 

How are the little C1's running? Well I hope!

 

I run a yellow 107, which has been modified to my own personal tastes!

 

I've also fitted the exhaust from the 107 xs (Like a sport model only not!) and run a custom induction kit :)

 

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u229/107Codf/DSC00022-1.jpg

 

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u229/107Codf/DSC00021-1.jpg

 

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u229/107Codf/DSC00395.jpg

 

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u229/107Codf/DSC00376.jpg

 

Should you guys have anything to ask, re your C1's let me know and I'll get back to you as soon as I can :), either find me on the 107oc, start a topic etc or start one here I'll be back every so often to check around.

 

P.s all the stuff on my car bar the stripes is available from our shop, feel free to take a look.

 

P.p.s anyone care for a swap of lights :rolleyes:

 

Thanks for reading

 

Steve

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That looks wicked, what is the address of this shop then? What do you mean by a swap of lights? Does the induction kit improve performance a lot? One of the guys on here has one but says he is getting 42MPG on a steady run, what are your figures?
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www.107oc.com

 

Look across the top banner theres a shop icon next to the home button.

 

Its a doddle to fit! Its me with the 42 mpg! I get nearer 50 on a motorway run

 

The acceleration is improved, and the torque is improved slightly

 

But the best bit is the sound!

 

Cheers

 

Steve

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Re the lights I'm desperately after changing my lights for the smoke effect C1 lights

 

I have the sports lights, (chrome effect and clear, they cost over £100) on my car but they don't go with the look I'm trying to achieve.

 

So should anyone want to trade :blink: you know were I am

 

They would suit a silver 107/C1 100 times better :rolleyes:

 

Oh and forgot to add your looking at 3-4bhp on the induction kit!

 

Did I mention someone on the site has supercharged our little citybugs??

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I'm a bit reluctent to modify my engine as a 3 cylinder might not take the punishment very well. The effect you've done on your car is very good though. Is it easy and cheap to get the black strips down the car as that and a spolier would be enough for me. Supercharged, now I would like to see that move.

 

I have a Silver one but the best thing the C1 has over the Aygo and 107 is the rear lights so I'm keeping mine. The smoke effect does look a lot better than the others. I think the 107 has a slightly better front though where as the Toyota has the more dependable badge. I'm surprised the C1 is the slowest selling of the three being as its the cheapest. If they only advertised them better then I'm sure they would sell a lot more.

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If they marketed them as Toyota engined etc, they would make more sales....

 

The stripes I had done for a crate of fosters by my cousin who is in the trade its going to be around £100 for anyone else.

 

The toyota engines take punishment mine does everyday.

 

Here is our e-supercharged 107 from the site

 

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u229/107Codf/index.php.gif

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What power does the Super Charge Engine chuck out then? Bet its great fun beating people off the lights who think its a standard 1.0 engine. Ever driven it yourself?

If you hammer your three cylinder to much it will show in a few years time. The more cylinders the more power and punishement they can take.

I think if they try to sell the cars more as second runabout cars that save a lot on fuel rather than the youth market I think they'll sell thousands more. A friend who has a petrol CRV worked out he could buy one and use it to commute and the saving on fuel would cover the cost of having and buying the second car.

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Its very true

 

The E Supercharged version kicks out circa 90 bhp, I've not driven it myself as its stashed away in the Highlands (J.o.g) To be precise!

 

One of the dutch guys on our site is trying to turbocharge it, but its tricky with our ecu not really being up to the job.

 

Theres also been talk of remapping and chipping but these are something I have not seen firsthand

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When you say E supercharged you dont mean one of those fan things in the intake do you?

 

Just curious as I see no actual supercharger in that picture I just see an intake.

 

If its one of those fan intake things well...there about as much use as a chocolate fireguard. If anything there likely to cause a loss of power due to a restriction in the intake path.

 

And 90bhp...I just dont see a car like this gaining 20bhp+ from something like that think someone needs to get a grip. Unless I can see a graph showing the before and after on the same day I'm not gonna believe that.

 

Only way I can see it making 90bhp is to have some rather more serious mods on it, the engines are highly under rated or its a factory freak and I mean a big freak.

 

If fans in the intake really did give gains like this manufacturers would have used them by now. They simply get in the way and cant provide enough airflow to the engine. Good for making a bit of money with fools willing to buy them though. Would go well with a £4.99 "chip" off ebay.

 

Don't mean to sound rude but I feel for people who buy these things as there obvious quite naive.

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I was thinking the opposite and that a Supercharger would put the power up to over 90BHP? Turbo's and Supercharging make a huge difference but the car markers don't use them for various reasons,

 

Reliability - goes drastically down, especially on small engines.

Costs - These things bump the price of the car up.

Power - The power tends to come on only after a few seconds and more so at the top end so in the real everyday driving it wouldn't be very effective.

Fuel Economy - This would dive and its not good when your trying to make an economical city car that does 62MPG with low emmisions for the £35 road tax.

 

I still keep thinking about this digital throttle and think its almost impossible to drive using one especially in traffic but also, what is the point of it?

 

The chips work but again ruin fuel economy.

 

PS - Whats with the pic on your messages, do you honestly believe that car looks good? Honestly?

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When you say E supercharged you dont mean one of those fan things in the intake do you?

 

Just curious as I see no actual supercharger in that picture I just see an intake.

 

If its one of those fan intake things well...there about as much use as a chocolate fireguard. If anything there likely to cause a loss of power due to a restriction in the intake path.

 

And 90bhp...I just dont see a car like this gaining 20bhp+ from something like that think someone needs to get a grip. Unless I can see a graph showing the before and after on the same day I'm not gonna believe that.

 

Only way I can see it making 90bhp is to have some rather more serious mods on it, the engines are highly under rated or its a factory freak and I mean a big freak.

 

If fans in the intake really did give gains like this manufacturers would have used them by now. They simply get in the way and cant provide enough airflow to the engine. Good for making a bit of money with fools willing to buy them though. Would go well with a £4.99 "chip" off ebay.

 

Don't mean to sound rude but I feel for people who buy these things as there obvious quite naive.

 

The car has a few extra mods, I'm unsure of what they are

 

In regards to E charger yep its the fan thing in the intake, I too have heard stories on how these have made 0-60 times up to a second more etc

 

He swears by it and we trust him, he runs the shop on our site and has a degree in some form of automotive design, so naive is not really something I would tag him with.

 

I personally have not seen it or seen any results, but am meeting him in Newcastle to give it the once over and see what the difference is if any.

 

I am a skeptic too after what everyone has said etc.

 

What I do know is e-chargers have come a long way in the last few years so this may and only may be a viable solution

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Automotive design..I did a bit of that in my first year. My degree although I have not currently Finished it is in Automobile Engineering.

 

To my knowledge there is no way that fan could supply enough air into the intake for it to make a difference. Its simply not gonna output enough air. And due to the fan having a dead zone in the middle its just reducing the intake volume thus reducing the power is more likely the case.

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I suppose the idea of an E Charger works on volumetric efficiency.

 

If we suppose the 107/c1/aygo works at 75% VE anything that increases that amount albeit small will make a fair increase in acceleration, this is similar to how a supercharger works I think. Maybe losses elsewhere though

 

We wait and see, the E supercharger certainly looks the part in the bay, the voltage stabilizer I see above the battery should help the battery life just a little.

 

But as I said I run a fairly large induction kit and that makes a fair amount of difference, but it had to the old air box opening was no bigger then a 50 pence piece.

 

Personally I think it works, possibly not to the gains stated but works never less.

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Surely thats how a supercharger works by pushing mor eair in to the engine mix so some gains will be noticable. The down sides are the extra fuel consumption and the reliability suffering. I wouldn't hammer these three cylinder engines to much. I owned a Dihatsu Charade 3 cylinder engine which is what the C1 is based on and while it was ultra reliable they wouldn't take the punishment of a meaty four cylinder car.

Cars can feel faster even if they are not. I once had an MR2 and where the clutch had worn and it would be really noisy yet produce less of that power to the wheels it actually felt faster when it wasn't. Even changing the gear knob on the C1 for something smaller and more nimble made the car feel faster and go better when really its a trick of the mind.

Have you measured the 0-60 times with the unit and without?

Have to say though what you've done with your 107 does look wicked. I'd have that over the Red C4 anyday.......

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Thanks for the comments

 

The C4's are the ones with the crazy back ends right? No I'm not a fan either

 

But, I did test drive the new Twingo GT (1.2 Turbo 100hp) today and that is a very funky car, could well be my next vehicle

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No. A supercharger works like a turbo. A turbo is actually a form of supercharger.

 

A "real" supercharger is ran from the crank with the exception of the turbo which uses exhaust gases to power it. And what happens is the impeller (In a centrifugal type spins at around 15,000rpm+ depending on level of boost and compresses the air so it is denser. Denser air = more power. Thats why on cold mornings your car feels faster than on a hot day cooler denser air entering the engine thus more oxygen thus more fuel thus a bigger bang.

 

You then have the positive displacement type superchargers the twin screw and roots type blowers. Which do it by a different means.

 

Have a look at the link below it will help explain it by use of a few diagrams. A fan spinning is not a supercharger a supercharger is a compressor. Which is why Mercedes refer to there supercharged cars by using the term Kompressor. A fan just moves air if the engine needs more air than that fan can move and is pulling it through the intake anyway the fan is just getting in the way causing a dead zone where air cant pass anymore where it could previously (The centre of the fan).

 

You carry on liking the C1 and I hope your happy with it. There great city cars but I would prefer driving something a bit bigger and more comfortable with some more power.

 

I am more than happy with my C4...and to be fair I reckon if I was to park up next to a C1,107 or Aygo and ask which one people would rather have im betting most would pick the C4.

 

 

Thanks for the comments

 

The C4's are the ones with the crazy back ends right? No I'm not a fan either

 

But, I did test drive the new Twingo GT (1.2 Turbo 100hp) today and that is a very funky car, could well be my next vehicle

 

The new twingo is meh. The current model isnt that great there will be an RS version joining the lineup next year or in early 2009. should be around 150+ hp.

 

There are 5 varieties of the C4 all are different cars. Mine is the Coupe Which looks like the images below.

 

 

 

http://www.mybigspoon.com/wozza/side.JPG

http://www.mybigspoon.com/wozza/rear.JPG

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I agree a Supercharger and Turbo work on the same idea but a Supercharger is placed where the air enters the engine and the turbo is at the end of the cycle so totally different principals. Turbo's are more popular as the power is more usuable although Mercs have made some advancement with Superchargers in the past.

 

Agree they might say the C4 looks more comfortable but when you compare the cost and what you could get for the C4 money then it turns around. Surely a Focus, Astra, 307, Megane, Golf are all far better looking cars and would hold their value better? I think its just that rear window, it looks like a strange concept just for the sake of it. Glad yoiur happy with it though and its good not everyone drives the same car.......

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I'm going to disagree with you on the C4 its a really ugly looking car, sure it performs well and is comfortable but it sure is horrible on the eyes.

 

Anyway.. enough of that

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I agree a Supercharger and Turbo work on the same idea but a Supercharger is placed where the air enters the engine and the turbo is at the end of the cycle so totally different principals. Turbo's are more popular as the power is more usuable although Mercs have made some advancement with Superchargers in the past.

 

Agree they might say the C4 looks more comfortable but when you compare the cost and what you could get for the C4 money then it turns around. Surely a Focus, Astra, 307, Megane, Golf are all far better looking cars and would hold their value better? I think its just that rear window, it looks like a strange concept just for the sake of it. Glad yoiur happy with it though and its good not everyone drives the same car.......

 

 

The Focus is bloody ugly. The 307 is just awful to look at much less reliable for some reason and considering it has the same suspension as the C4 drive them back to back and the C4 feels light years ahead in the bends.

 

Megane is good on the higher end models but seating position is a bit naff the rear end looks awful as well. And 2 friends own them and both say the C4 is a better built car.

 

Golf had one of them in the past. Dull to drive dull to look at. GTI is the only one worth caring about and its just not that great not for the cash especially.

 

Astra is alright doesn't handle as well as the C4 not as comfortable inside and the interior is pretty awful. Exterior is quite nice I nearly bought one until I test drove the C4.

 

I think of all of them only the Astra Sport hatch and C4 look nice the rest are dull or ugly.

 

The only one which would hold its money more than the C4 is funnily enough the Golf. And only for there reputations of being solidly built. The cash back offers etc given by citroen means initial purchase prices are quite small. I can get the top spec C4 Coupe for £14k 180hp engine pretty much fully loaded and it would lose a similar amount to the others in the first couple of years. Cars depreciate its a fact of life. I would rather drive somethign I enjoy than look at numbers and pick something that someone else finds pretty which I personally find dull and something everyone else has. If you like being a sheep fair enough. I personally like something a bit different.

 

Why when looking for a 2nd car for a fun performance car no German cars have been considered everyone goes for an M3 or similar. Instead im looking at Saleen Mustangs.

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You may think you haven't lost a lot. I bought a Nissan Almera, very cheap and fully loaded. Problem is they say its worth so much but its a real struggle to find anyone to buy a non main stream car. In France you wouldn't have a problem but Citroens over here are seen as upside down prams that fall apart.

Focus is a joy to drive and it looks the part. Not wacky just sensible styling like the Astra. I dont like the new shape Astra or Megane either. The 307 looks by far the best but then Pugs make some of the best looking cars. Golf would not fall apart, hold its value and if you drove one, you'll be very impressed. I'd love a Polo but they hold their value too much. Look at the JD Power Survey for a fair idea of the ranking of cars. See where the C4 come in that, fair?

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I personally think the 307 is horrible theres just nothing good about it looks wise. Guy across the road has one and to think they share a lot fo the C4's components it just looks awful next to the C4.

 

Pugs of old were good new ones not so much.

 

The JD power thing I always find rather weird. Explain to me how the 180hp corolla is termed as a good performing car but the 180hp C4 which is faster gets marked down for performance.

 

It seems rather strange to me.

 

Im also trying to work out how the Toyota prius got the most appealing exterior in the segment...I mean honestly! No one can say the prius is a good looking car.

 

Then we have the Mechanical reliability thing. Baring in mind the 307 and the C4 are basically the same car with a different shell how does 1 score badly in reliability and the other doesn't? Then you have the focus that also shares the engines which again is different.

 

I would rather speak to owners about the cars first as I have heard a lot of people bad mouth certain cars. Like my friend he is a Focus fan boy. Ripped me for buying the C4 because it was a cheap shitty French car. I gave him the keys and told him to have a go and he now praises the things and even said it actually fells more solid than the Focus. There also quite a few guys on here who have had focus's and moved to C4's and are happier with the C4.

 

These Customer service things just seem very odd. Especially how as again the Prius gets 3 ticks for performance yet the Vauxhall astra gets a cross. as does the renault megane, 307 and C4...

 

It just seems completely stupid I mean honestly the highest powered Prius is a 1.5 yet the 2.0 turbo cars are slow.

 

To me it seems rather biased.

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JD Power Survey is from people who own the cars, thats the best thing about it. Everyone who owns a car two years old can say what is good or bad against their car.

The 307 gets marked down a lot for reliability. Performance is not just about power, handling and enjoyment come a lot in to it as well.

The survey is based on expectations. So owners who mark the car down obviously expected more. Hence the Jap cars doing well as they just don't go wrong, well the ones I have had have been bullet proof. You can't argue with the public.

We'll see what the C1 gets next year as its the first time it will be included. I love the car for the price but some may not agree. To be honest their are to many car makers in the world and some have to go. I'm surprised Citroen are still in the running. Fiat are another who'll probably get the bullet as the world can't handle that many makers. Watch this space.......

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Ford aren't doing well and neither are GM either. They go so do most of the car companies. Why Ford have been selling off certain assets like Aston Martin. Which is a good thing least Aston Martin is now a properly British company again. And with prodrive owning them can only be good for there newer cars coming out.

 

DBS is possibly the greatest looking car ever produced.

 

JD power surveys its always the same really certain cars always score really well and others dont. I just dont get how the Prius scores so well. They handle badly, They're slow and they're not enjoyable to drive the only way you can get the MPG they quote is to baby it big time. Its also incredibly ugly yet got better marks than pretty much every car in the segment for its looks.

 

I am yet to meet someone who thinks its an attractive car and makes them want to rush out and buy one.

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The reason a lot of car companies are in trouble is due to the fact their are to many of them and until some go it wont change. Some companies like Toyota are doing well still as they have stayed ahead of the game.

The people that buy the Prius are older gentlemen that expect a different thing in their cars. Not speed and handling but comfort and hassle free motoring and that's what Toyota provide, hence they give it a good score. The Fords and Citroen suffer through bad build quality and not providing what the customer, who the car is aimed up, what they want. Old people must find the Prius looks good but then the looks of the C4 are not good. In a few years when you have another car you'll wonder what you ever saw in it, trust me on that one. The worst is the C3 for me, it looks as though it was designed in 3 mins flat.

Take the C1, Citroen have one job on the car thats not done by Toyota and that's to fit the lights. The only reported problem so far on these cars is water leaking in through the rear lights. They have one job to do and they can't get that right. Imagine what the car would have been like if Citroen was in charge of building the whole car, get my point. It can be the best car in the world and go well and handle like a dream but if it keeps going wrong then you'll grow to hate it. If Toyota can do it then why can't the others who have been in the game a long time now.

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The reason a lot of car companies are in trouble is due to the fact their are to many of them and until some go it wont change. Some companies like Toyota are doing well still as they have stayed ahead of the game.

The people that buy the Prius are older gentlemen that expect a different thing in their cars. Not speed and handling but comfort and hassle free motoring and that's what Toyota provide, hence they give it a good score. The Fords and Citroen suffer through bad build quality and not providing what the customer, who the car is aimed up, what they want. Old people must find the Prius looks good but then the looks of the C4 are not good. In a few years when you have another car you'll wonder what you ever saw in it, trust me on that one. The worst is the C3 for me, it looks as though it was designed in 3 mins flat.

Take the C1, Citroen have one job on the car thats not done by Toyota and that's to fit the lights. The only reported problem so far on these cars is water leaking in through the rear lights. They have one job to do and they can't get that right. Imagine what the car would have been like if Citroen was in charge of building the whole car, get my point. It can be the best car in the world and go well and handle like a dream but if it keeps going wrong then you'll grow to hate it. If Toyota can do it then why can't the others who have been in the game a long time now.

That was a good read Martin and so true., i enjoyed that .

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