New C3 1.6i 16v Exclusive Sensodrive

[hertsnminds]

I have checked them against readings from my GPS.

Speed seems to read under, so 70mph on the speedo reads 68/69mph on the GPS. It seems to read about 2mph under across the range. I have also noticed that if you set a speed warning for 40MPH it doesn't actually beep at you until it reaches 42MPH (so maybe they know it reads under actual speed).

The car I had before the Pluriel was closer to 5MPH out and read over speed when travelling under 40MPH and under speed when travelling faster. That was an analogue dial being fed by electronic sensors (so no cable into the back of the speedo).

As for odometer readings they seem to match the GPS

Ian
Orange 03 Senso

[LoonyJohn]

Hello, this is my first post on this forum...

I had a 04 c3 from new, only changing recently (to a picasso exclusive) as my family is now 2+1 :D. The c3 was a great car, really nippy. But it isn't big enough to hold 2 adults + 1 baby + 1 travelsystem +baby supplies + pram + shopping ;)
I had to PX it at 25,000 miles after 1 year 1 month. Only problem I had was an occational loss of power just before I PX'd it..

It was rainforrest green (best colour available). Note on this - there are no touch-up kits available unless you get them specially mixed. Citroen advised me to go to Halfords, but Halfords don't have the colour listed...

You've got mudflaps - be careful going over speed bumps. The front of the Exclusive is low (well is was on mine) - you will catch the flaps on even the smallest sleeping policeman.
Don't drive too near a kurb, you will damage the black plastic under-trim on the bumper.
If you drive too close to the kurb at the side, you WILL scuff the alloys, there is no lip on the edge of the wheel to protect it :(

I got on average 58Mpg from mine.
If you leave the average readings for long enough, they will start to give strange readings, so best to reset them after each fill. It doesn't say in the manual, but to reset the average Mph and average Mpg, cycle through the display until av. Mph is displayed, and press and hold the stalk until it resets the display :blink:

[CE08LDB]

I drove my C3 today there is 900 miles on the clock now. I am enjoying my car

[CE08LDB]

Look at this C3 Exclusive Sensodrive I saw on the internet forsale by a UK Citroen Dealer

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[b]Description 2003 52 C3 1.6i 16v Exclusive Sensodrive[/b]
Arctic Steel, 1 Registered Keeper, Franchise Approved, HPI Checked, , Remote Central Locking, Front Electric Windows, Electric Mirrors, ABS, Climate Control, Power Steering, Drivers Airbag, Passenger Airbag, Side Airbags, Alarm, Immobiliser, Alloy Wheels, This is a Blaupunkt Demo car with 4 tv screens, Sony Playstation, Subs an a kicking sound system, 9638 miles

[CE08LDB]

I have booked my C3 for its 1,000 miles service on 21/6/05 and to have a check done on the Sensodrive Gear Box.

[CE08LDB]

Oh I forgot to mention when I booked my car in for a service I said to the dealer that my mpg keeps going up and down all the time the most I have had is 32.8mpg and the lowest 25.5mpg and he said to me it takes around 3,000 miles to get better mpg but on yours jazzster I noticed on your pic with you DVD player your mileage clock was on 600 odd and you display screen showed 41mpg. The 1.4i SX Auto dose 41mpg and according to the book it says that the 1.6i 16v Exclusive Sensodrive dose 45mpg that was one of the reasons I went for this one.

[jazzster]

[quote name='SAXOAUTO' date='Jun 15 2005, 01:50 AM'] jazzster I noticed on your pic with you DVD player your mileage clock was on 600 odd and you display screen showed 41mpg. The 1.4i SX Auto dose 41mpg and according to the book it says that the 1.6i 16v Exclusive Sensodrive dose 45mpg that was one of the reasons I went for this one. [/quote]
The miles you can see on the photo is 68.7 miles on trip. I fitted the DVD after the 1st service, so had done just over 1000 miles then. The MPG was done on a longer journey. Most of the time its around 30 to 36MPG, but the clock is about 2 to 3 MPG higher all the time as I keep a check on my petrol every time I fill up. The journeys you take will have a big difference on MPG short drives you will get a lot less. Most of my driveing is at least 7 miles with not to much traffic giveing 36MPG on clock about 33 actual MPG. The highest reading I`ve seen was when I filled up with warm engine and did 25 miles on quiet country roads and just got to 60MPG when I hit traffic after 100 miles if was on 55MPG. After the journey back it was about 53MPG.
Just A few off my previous car MPGs
My Average since haveing the car is 37.2.MPG 2200 miles
My Honda Jazz was 41.1MPG 13200 miles
My Previous C3 Manual was 36.8 over 3900 Miles
My Rover 25 1.8 CVT was 31.1 over 7500 miles
As you can see the Jazz was best MPG. The Rover The worst MPG but it was fast.

[Igloo_Vindaloo]

jazzster,

I'm suprised the manual C3 came out lower than the Honda Jazz.
But not suprised the Rover 25 did poorly - they are renowned as gas-guzzlers (though the diesels weren't so bad).

How do you figures compare with the official (urban/extra-urban/combined) figures? They all seem a bit low to me - perhaps you should get your right foot adjusted :angry: .

[jazzster]

[quote name='Igloo_Vindaloo' date='Jun 16 2005, 08:56 AM'] jazzster,

I'm suprised the manual C3 came out lower than the Honda Jazz.
But not suprised the Rover 25 did poorly - they are renowned as gas-guzzlers (though the diesels weren't so bad).

How do you figures compare with the official (urban/extra-urban/combined) figures? They all seem a bit low to me - perhaps you should get your right foot adjusted :angry: . [/quote]
Honda Jazz Urban 39.2
extra urban 56.5
Combined 48.7
My Average 41.1

C3 Senso urban 34.0
extra urban 54.3
combined 44.8
My Average 37.2

C3 Manual urban 35.3
extra urban 55.4
combined 45.6
My Average 36.8

Don`t know Rovers but to be fair I was a bigger engine and my foot was very heavy.
The honda did not do very well on trips to work on urban roads traffic jams aith air con but did well on longer journeys.
The Man C3 did get the heavy foot treatment Air con always left on auto, did only have it through winter so that would not help.
Senso C3 not so heavy feet with this, but air con on auto does have a lot more town driving.
The big thing that make mine a little low is when cold they have a hill to climb (which who could tell on the Jazz because off the better fuel computer) if I went the the other direction with no hills the MPG would not drop so much.
If the c3 Senso averages about 35 or more I am quiet happy.
Will be better that 1.6 Corolla auto at 31 MPG never had a car rev so high when cold.

[CE08LDB]

Oh right I see. I have driven the car on few long journeys for a ride like from South Wales to Mid Wales and back for a ride on country roads. And there is alot of hills around where I live as I live about 15 miles from the Brecon Beacons. My car keeps wheel spinning on the hills aswell. I stop at a junction on a hill the other day and obviously the gear box drops into 1st so I went to pull my handcontrol up for it to go and it wasen't and the next thing you know. it skids away and reving all the way up the hill intill I changed it up with the paddle so I will tell the dealer about this on tuesday and when im turning the stering wheel and when I go to indicate the indicator won't click down I got to hold it down intill my wheel is at a different angle. which is hard for me as I can't have 2 hands on the wheel. My brothers don't do this. I don't regret having this C3 though. Im learning how to stop it rolling back on hills now. If I was buying this C3 would have liked leather interior. Im surprised you didn't do that jazzster. I like the Exclusive version but for some1 like you jazzster who is buying theirs it must be a bit of a disapointment with the features compare to the SX. Like my brothers C3 SX is just over 2 years old and myC3 is better but now the SX don't seem much different compare to the Exclusive now compare to when the C3 came out in 2002 you could tell the difference. They also changed the Front Headrests now haven't they. My borther has the ones you can push in and out.

[jazzster]

Not had any problems with wheel spinning.
Do get the odd time when the clutch judders starting off in 1st and changing to 2nd not sure why.
Leather is not worth the money personally won`t get it back when sold.
Think I have already said I don't know why I didn't have the SX suppose the 1.6 was a little faster.
The Sensodrive gearbox is great most of the time but I hate how it works at junctions at the moment not very impressed with the gearbox. Tried driving it with the paddles a lot although it is better still not very good at junctions.
The car I love , few minor rattles and squeaky seats.
If I was buying again I would more than likely go for 1.4 SX Auto but think i would be to slow for me or different car but no idea what.

[CE08LDB]

Well lets put it this way when I drive my brother 1.4i SX Auto I always put it in sport mode because that the only way you get power out of it even on the hills.

Mind you im glad I had the exclusive because of the Alloys my brother have lost 2 wheel trims on the SX within under 2 years which are 13 each. on the his Saxo SX they never came off. What let me down with the Exclusive is the CD Draw they have taken away and the parking ticket holder :angry:

I am having the same problem at junctions aswell. Do you miss your old C3 Exclusive?

[jazzster]

[quote name='SAXOAUTO' date='Jun 16 2005, 11:33 PM'] parking ticket holder <_<

I am having the same problem at junctions aswell. Do you miss your old C3 Exclusive? [/quote]
I surprised the ticket holder is not on any more.
Dont miss the old C3 Exclusive don't like manual gearbox, seem to have problems with the clutch peddles leg and foot aches in traffic.
Don't know why Citroen have not got a CVT gearbox the new ones do almost the same MPG as manual and are as quick, (Could be cost). The Jazz has a 7 speed manual mode though I think 5 would of been better, it did jerk a bit if in a hurry but in normal auto it of perfectly smooth as it uses pulleys change size makeing variable gears, just sounds weird because of the revs staying high as if you ar slipping the clutch. The Rover had a similar gearbox too and that was O.K.
I would of had a Jazz again if the dashboard was better and they bought the bigger 1.5 engine in the country, I think the C3 has better plastic than the Jazz, the thing I do miss from the Jazz ar the folding seats they ar load better that any small car I have seen.

Sometimes wish I could have a Citroen BX with the old style ZF gearbox liked the car it was a nice size not too big or small, thought a few times about having one as a second car but car tax, insurance and running cost put me off.
Was tempted when a BX GTi Auto was on Ebay, it was well looked after and fairly local wasn't very much money but insurance put me off.

[hertsnminds]

Fuel consumption history:
Vauxhall 1.6 Astra 14680.4 miles 430.1 Gal = 34.13mpg (1985 ish)
Toyota 1.6 Corolla Gti 19672.8 miles 566.7 Gal = 34.72mpg (1987 ish)
Citroen 1.9 BX Gti 13165.5 miles 465.0 Gal = 28.31mpg (1987 ish)
Peugeot 1.4 106 Diesel 24078.4 miles 440 Gal = 54.72mpg (1994)
Honda 1.6 Civic Vti 14874 miles 439.2 Gal = 33.87mpg (1993)
Ford 1.3 Ka3 13358.3 miles 339.7 Gal = 39.32mpg (1997)
Fiat 1.8 barchetta 43109 miles 1261.2 Gal = 34.18mpg (1999)
Citroen 1.6 Pluriel 13142 miles 342.1 Gal = 38.42mpg (2003)

I found the Pluriel mpg figures improved after the 10,000 mile mark. When I first got the car I was getting about 300 miles from about 40 litres, this is now closer to 400 miles. To be fair I have also adjusted my driving style to match the car (lighter right foot).

Most modern cars give better mpg figures just from the above you can see that a 1.6 engine now gives the same mpg as a 1.3 used to (Ka to Pluriel comparison) and I was getting better mpg from a modern 1.8 compared to an older 1.6 (barchetta to Astra comparison).

I would expect a 5 door C3 to give better mpg than the Pluriel as the Pluriel is a heavier car.

Ian
Orange 03 Senso

[jazzster]

[quote name='hertsnminds' date='Jun 17 2005, 09:33 AM'] I would expect a 5 door C3 to give better mpg than the Pluriel as the Pluriel is a heavier car.

[/quote]
A lot depends where and how you drive, going to work everyday 7.5 miles I'm getting 36.2MPG on clock which is abot 33.5MPG actual. This is the best I've had since haveing the car due to warm weather. I do not do many long drives so my average will not go very high.
On older car about 7 years ago I would drive a lot at weekend and walk to work in the week my MPG was alot higher then because of the long journeys. I had various cars one Montego 2.0 GTi Estate Auto which with the auto and weight was doing well in the late 30s MPG with lead feet.

[Igloo_Vindaloo]

Here are my averages miles per gallon from my wifes and my previous cars, typically used for a mix of long distance driving and commuting 10-40 miles in the SE.

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1986 Austin Metro 1.0L manual petrol: 45mpg (from memory)
1986 Rover Mini 1.0 manual petrol: 44mpg (from memory)
1989 Peugeot 205 GLD manual diesel: 55mpg (a good one)
1993 Ford Fiesta 1.0 manual petrol: 49mpg (suprisingly good)
1994 Peugeot 306 XLd manual diesel: 50mpg (a pig of a Pug)
1993 Rover Mini Sprite 1275 manual petrol: 40mpg (but fun!)
2003 Ciroen C3 LX 1.4 HDi 8v manual diesel: 64mpg (nice!)
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I have pledged never to buy a car that is less economical than the one it replaces*. And I would encourage everyone to do the same. (But some of these were exempt, as they were given to me - so I didn't buy them! )

*I have since revised this to always buy a car with lower CO2 emissions than the one it replaces.

Cheers,

Tim

[CE08LDB]

Citroen are now doing the C3 1.6HDi 5 speed Manual Diesel SX and Exclusive

[Igloo_Vindaloo]

[quote] Citroen are now doing the C3 1.6HDi 5 speed Manual Diesel SX and Exclusive[/quote]

I hadn't seen that - it's not on Citroen's website yet.
I guess it's the same engine they now put in the Picasso, but it still begs the question of WHY?
Why put in a bigger, heavier engine in a C3 when the current ones have more than enough power (at least for a tepid hatch).

[stimulator]

I too am perplexed by this decissison to put a 1.6HDi in the C3.

Upto now you could buy a 1.4HDi 8V 70BHP model and the 1.4HDi 16V 92BHP model.

the difference between those was significant and the 92BHP one goes extremely well.

It's to all intense and purposes the same engine as the 1.6HDI but 200cc smaller. It has the variable vane turbo and intercooler.

So is the new 1.6HDi going to be the 110BHP model as per the Picasso or is the intercooler going to be dropped so it only develops 98BHP.
If that is the case, why are they changing the engine.

If the 110BHP is being fitted then is it to allow it compete with the Fiesta S whatever.

[jazzster]

[quote name='stimulator' date='Jun 23 2005, 08:37 PM'] I too am perplexed by this decissison to put a 1.6HDi in the C3.

Upto now you could buy a 1.4HDi 8V 70BHP model and  the 1.4HDi 16V 92BHP model.

the difference between those was significant and the 92BHP one goes extremely well.

It's to all intense and purposes the same engine as the 1.6HDI but 200cc smaller. It has the variable vane turbo and intercooler.

So is the new 1.6HDi going to be the 110BHP model as per the Picasso or is the intercooler going to be dropped so it only develops 98BHP. 
If that is the case, why are they changing the engine. 

If the 110BHP is being fitted then is it to allow it compete with the Fiesta S whatever. [/quote]
according to Citroen website the 1.6HDi
92bhp@4000rpm
158lbft/1750rpm

1.4HDi 16v is not listed
92bhp@4000rpm
147@1750rpm
the Mpg is almost the same but urban is 4mpg lower though
So a slight improvement in low down grunt with less MPG on urban, Slighty higher Co2 Emissions 112 to 118

The diesel has been on the site for a while now.
cost £100 more than 1.6 petrol Sensodrive.

[CE08LDB]

I forgot to mention aswell the 1.6HDi is also avalible on XTR.

[jazzster]

Saxoauto how did your service go, did they sort your problems

[hertsnminds]

[quote]I too am perplexed by this decissison to put a 1.6HDi in the C3[/quote]
Is there a difference in the emission standard
The 1.4 being Euro III and the 1.6 being Euro IV?


Ian
Orange 03 Senso

[Igloo_Vindaloo]

[quote]
Is there a difference in the emission standard
The 1.4 being Euro III and the 1.6 being Euro IV?
[/quote]

Only the L version of the C3 meets Euro IV with the 1.4HDi engine. All the other HDi engined ones are Euro III. (Source: [url="http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/downloads/latest.asp"]http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/downloads/latest.asp[/url], but they don't have the 1.6HDi listed yet. Although Citroen.co.uk say the 1.4HDi 70bhp Sensodrive is also Euro IV.

Any idea what they did to the L version to get it through Euro IV?

Cheers,

[CE08LDB]

Well jazzster. I told the head Machanic about the wheel spinning and he was trying to put the blame on my Handcontrols. But he is always blaming something else. He is the same when it comes to my brothers C3 and his last Saxo. Now the Handcontrol company tests the controls on the car first before it is handed over to me. I remember I went with my neighbour to the dealer back in January about his Power Steering going on the Saxo so we told this head Machanic same guy who I just mention and he said oh I don't really want to change the coil and the locks etc so if it goes again come back up and the car was due to go back in 3 weeks time to motability so the warranty ended on the 25 January 2005 so my neighbour said to him what if my power steering goes on a corner when im doing about 40mph - 50mph the head machanic said oh you are a strong bloke you could manage to turn it. Now thats not the point is it. There was another time he said he would get a new Auto gear Box for my brothers Saxo in 2 weeks yeah right 6 weeks it took altogether. And he has been the same with my brother over his C3 aswell talk about customer service hey!