2.1 Deisel Injection Pump

[Guest paco929]

Hello everyone.

This is my first listing, and I am hoping someone may have some advice.

I have recently bought the latest addition to my Citroen flock. Namely a 2.1 td Desire. I have had several citroens in the past and have always liked the breed. Normally !! reliable and comfortable.

Unfortunately the 2.1 is giving me some grief, To cut a long story short I have a tickover (or lack of) problem and a missfire midrange. The Citroen diagnostics tells me I have a Rotor position sensor fault andCam position sensor fault, in the Lucas EPIC inj. pump.

Anyone know of a reasonable source of repair/replacement for this pump ? or any other suggestions,

Thanks,

Jack.

[Guest rowls]

Could try ebay, type in xantia and you'll find that some people are selling them for spares and repairs.

[Guest paco929]

Could try ebay, type in xantia and you'll find that some people are selling them for spares and repairs.

 

Thanks for your response Rowls. Unfortunately no luck with e bay. Will keep looking though!!

[Guest Colin Hunter]

Have a look in your local directory for a Lucas service centre. Might be costly but they'll be the ones to sort it! Sometimes you just have to "Bite the bullet". This is (can be)the price you pay for running an elderly but technogolgically advanced car. (Sorry) Alternatively you may be able to source a used spare through some of the internet based breakers sites on the web. Do a search in google for pugcit spares. You'll find something to your advantage. Cheers ;)

[willie]

Hello everyone.

This is my first listing, and I am hoping someone may have some advice.

I have recently bought the latest addition to my Citroen flock. Namely a 2.1 td Desire. I have had several citroens in the past and have always liked the breed. Normally !! reliable and comfortable.

Unfortunately the 2.1 is giving me some grief, To cut a long story short I have a tickover (or lack of) problem and a missfire midrange. The Citroen diagnostics tells me I have a Rotor position sensor fault andCam position sensor fault, in the Lucas EPIC inj. pump.

Anyone know of a reasonable source of repair/replacement for this pump ? or any other suggestions,

Thanks,

Jack.

 

Hmmmmmm........where could I get a Citroen diagnostic check done on "it" ???

 

It will only start in the morning if I keep the key turned on for around 20 seconds or so and then it runs really rough with loadsa white smoke until its warm......no smoke at all by the time it's haring along the M8 on my way to work though!

Strange beast.

[Guest Colin Hunter]

Thought yours was a 1.9 Willie! Do you put your foot on the accellerator when you start up? Citroen reccomend not to. It intruduces excess fuel and can lead to loadsa smoke when the beast eventually comes to life. If you're getting poor running when "IT" ;) ! is cold it may be due to the cold start beastie on the pump being inoperative or not properly adjusted. This is a device which advances the fuel injection timing when the engine is cold. The manual also mentions a temperature sensor which is linked to the pump to improve cold starting.

You may need to take it to a fuel pump Guru to get it adjusted, but that's what I think it is. I don't know if you can adjust it yourself. I never had any bother with my 1.9td when I had "HER"! :P

 

I don't know if you have a manual so I've uploaded the relevant chapter to my Opera site at http://my.opera.com/Brecknaheim/blog/show.dml/1593719

 

Cheers . Happy tinkering!

[willie]

Thought yours was a 1.9 Willie! Do you put your foot on the accellerator when you start up? Citroen reccomend not to. It intruduces excess fuel and can lead to loadsa smoke when the beast eventually comes to life. If you're getting poor running when "IT" ;) ! is cold it may be due to the cold start beastie on the pump being inoperative or not properly adjusted. This is a device which advances the fuel injection timing when the engine is cold. The manual also mentions a temperature sensor which is linked to the pump to improve cold starting.

You may need to take it to a fuel pump Guru to get it adjusted, but that's what I think it is. I don't know if you can adjust it yourself. I never had any bother with my 1.9td when I had "HER"! :P

 

I don't know if you have a manual so I've uploaded the relevant chapter to my Opera site at http://my.opera.com/Brecknaheim/blog/show.dml/1593719

 

Cheers . Happy tinkering!

 

IT is a 1.9 Colin and no, I don't use the accelerator on 'start up'.

Thank you yet again for uploading..........I'm awaiting delivery of a manual to assist me on getting "its" act together.

Not long until the weekend and the tinkering begins.............but I get the feeling I won't be "happy"!!!

[Guest paco929]

Have a look in your local directory for a Lucas service centre. Might be costly but they'll be the ones to sort it! Sometimes you just have to "Bite the bullet". This is (can be)the price you pay for running an elderly but technogolgically advanced car. (Sorry) Alternatively you may be able to source a used spare through some of the internet based breakers sites on the web. Do a search in google for pugcit spares. You'll find something to your advantage. Cheers ;)

[Guest paco929]

Have a look in your local directory for a Lucas service centre. Might be costly but they'll be the ones to sort it! Sometimes you just have to "Bite the bullet". This is (can be)the price you pay for running an elderly but technogolgically advanced car. (Sorry) Alternatively you may be able to source a used spare through some of the internet based breakers sites on the web. Do a search in google for pugcit spares. You'll find something to your advantage. Cheers ;)

 

 

Thanks for your reply Colin. I have just received a second hand pump from a breaker, which I am in the process of fitting. Nice job eh !! Hope it cures the fault.

Cheers,

Jack.

[willie]

Thanks for your reply Colin. I have just received a second hand pump from a breaker, which I am in the process of fitting. Nice job eh !! Hope it cures the fault.

Cheers,

Jack.

 

Whilst endlessly searching Citroen forums etc. I found this page.........

 

http://www.aepdirect.com/citroen-part.aspx

 

Do you think I might need part number S002 ???

[Guest Colin Hunter]

HI Willie. Yes it is possibly the cold start solenoid at fault. It does seem as though the cold start mechanism is not activating so that's a possibility. The other is the sensor on the engine which activates it. See pic 4.6 in the PDF on page 4B.6 Cheers

[Guest paco929]

HI Willie. Yes it is possibly the cold start solenoid at fault. It does seem as though the cold start mechanism is not activating so that's a possibility. The other is the sensor on the engine which activates it. See pic 4.6 in the PDF on page 4B.6 Cheers

 

 

 

Just thought I would report in, that I have fitted the new pump and the engine now runs fine. I had a few replies from 1st choice parts search. I used Moorfield Motors 0845 510964. Their prices seem to be amongst the keenest. Their delivery was quick as well. I can recommend them. Thanks for everyones input.

Jack.