just read your comment about the did it work or not Im with you I always make a point of posting a thanks for the help as to be honest that is all that the good people that take the time to respond get out of this as a new owner of a tidy C5 I hope that I never need to search desperately for a cure for an ailing car but also I am pleased to find a dedicated group here with I hope the answer to my prob regards and safe motoring