dizzyblond Posted September 5, 2011 Posted September 5, 2011 Hi Guys...OK I really need to know how to disable the stupid "Esp/Asr Not Functioning" message but more particularly the 'limp mode'... I need to be able to drive the car the 250km to a dealer and this ditsy limp mode just won't let me... I have taken all the advice given by Johndouglas and paul.h, thanx guys - see my last post (Esp/Asr Not Functioning - What The ^%$#&*(&^) and all checks out OK and I have carried out the 2 electrical resets as mentioned in this forum... I also cut the yellow wire that originates from under the ECU - again on advice and direction from someone in this forum, for whom this radical measure seemed to work a treat - thank you everyone...BUT still the friggin "Esp/Asr Not Functioning" message comes up just after starting and it goes into dreaded 'limp mode'...so any ideas guys??...there must be a wire I can cut that WILL disable this limp mode?? or something that I can disconnect, some sensor or something??...any other suggestions or ideas gratefully received...also can anyone suggest a good source for a Lexia and a Galletto?? I am happy to buy s/hand if someone has either and doesn't need/use them any more??...and finally where can I obtain the Ecusafe file???...OK that's it from downunder...happy Citroen days to all!!!...dizzy Quote
coastline taxis Posted September 6, 2011 Posted September 6, 2011 Hi just noticed this as ive been of for a whileFirst stop cutting wires itl cost your more money in the long run Have just read your other post and if im right you bought the car with the management light on. you took it to the garage and had the lights turned of twice. If they turned the light off then there must of been fault codes on there machine what were the codes. also have you tried phoning the previous owner and asking them. You put your car on as a 4speed so is it a automatic Have you had the battery checkedare you getting the esp/asr (electronic stability programe and anti slip regulation) fault or is it a anti pollution fault youve got as im a bit confused. If you could pleae start again with all details e.g exact model milage transmision mpg power loss missfires and what fuel system you have on it etc etc and anything youve tried up to now also any other faults with the car no matter how small as the esp fault covers quite a bit. sorry if youve already done that but after reading your posts im not sure what fault it is your listingbest regard steve Quote
dizzyblond Posted September 7, 2011 Author Posted September 7, 2011 Hi Steve...many thanx for your response... OK here is the story: bought the car with 290K kms on the clock, it is a 'Tiptronic' auto 5 door hatchback saloon, it had been a company CEO car since new (2005) and used for long motorway journeys and meticulously, no expense spared, maintained, spoke with previous owner, no clues... 'Antipollution Fault' msg and 'service' msg and 'engine' icon light on dash on when I purchased, had the car thoroughly checked by Citroen dealer BEFORE I purchased and they said 'anti pollution' msg was a common problem and they could find no faults, "just ignore it..." After purchase I took it to another dealer and asked them about 'antipollution msg', they checked car with computer and said there were no faults and switched msg/icons off, they reappeared after about 40kms!... Everything seemed to work fine, with nothing obviously not working or in some way not performing correctly, drove home (750kms) about halfway the antipollution msg went out completely on it's own, arrived home and next day started car and msg came back... In the next 2-3 months took car to 2 other dealers they both said the same and reaffirmed that the car had no faults, one switched the msg off only for it to reappear after about 50km... All went well for about 9 months - apart from the fan speed controller giving up the ghost, which I imported from the UK and replaced myself - with really good mpg and performance with no complaints or problems as long as you could ignore the antipollution msg and dash lights, I used the car mainly for long trips - 3-500kms - and some shorter trips... And then about 2 months ago, apropos of nothing, whilst out driving the 'ESP/ASR Not Functioning' msg appeared complete with the dreaded 'limp' mode, the 'antipollution' msg remained alongside the ESP/ASR msg... Since then I have checked all that I am able to check; electrical connections, filters - not the FAP particle filter though, fuses, carried out 2 electrical resets or latch resets, checked the MAF unit and no signs of being dirty or clogged in any way, checked the intercooler and again found it to be clean and clear (in it's honeycomb) and to have no oil inside, also checked the diaphragm behind the engine block and the operating rod is not broken and finally out of desperation, based on the experiences of someone - sorry don't know who? - on this forum, I cut the green wire coming out of the loom under the ECU, absolutely no change and nothing seemed to be affected!!!... The battery is new and is the correct one for this vehicle... I get BOTH fault msgs's with the 'skid' icon and the 'engine' icon and the 'service' msg in the instrument cluster, the ESP message kicks in about 5-10 mins from cold start and within 30secs after hot start, the antipollution kicks in straight away hot or cold and always has... Never any power loss or misfire - it is a HDi - had a service carried out about 4K kms ago which included filters, oils etc etc by a Citroen dealer, again despite me asking for any other probs to be flagged they said the same; no faults... Apart from these two 'faults' - the 'antipollution' and the ESP/ASR' - there are no other anomalies at all, the car has performed faultlessly in all other ways, it is the 4spd auto... All I need to be able to do is to get it to drive and then I can take it to a dealer and get their opinion, although I shudder at the thought of the cost - I replaced the fan speed controller and the total cost was $85, including post from the UK, cost of the unit here at a Citroen dealer, $427!!! and that is without fitting!!...as I am out in the bush this is starting to feel like the quintessential 'rock and a hard place' scenario, any help most welcome, thanx in advance...dizzy Quote
dizzyblond Posted September 7, 2011 Author Posted September 7, 2011 Hi Steve...many thanx for your response... OK here is the story: bought the car with 290K kms on the clock, it is a 'Tiptronic' auto 5 door hatchback saloon, it had been a company CEO car since new (2005) and used for long motorway journeys and meticulously, no expense spared, maintained, spoke with previous owner, no clues... 'Antipollution Fault' msg and 'service' msg and 'engine' icon light on dash on when I purchased, had the car thoroughly checked by Citroen dealer BEFORE I purchased and they said 'anti pollution' msg was a common problem and they could find no faults, "just ignore it..." After purchase I took it to another dealer and asked them about 'antipollution msg', they checked car with computer and said there were no faults and switched msg/icons off, they reappeared after about 40kms!... Everything seemed to work fine, with nothing obviously not working or in some way not performing correctly, drove home (750kms) about halfway the antipollution msg went out completely on it's own, arrived home and next day started car and msg came back... In the next 2-3 months took car to 2 other dealers they both said the same and reaffirmed that the car had no faults, one switched the msg off only for it to reappear after about 50km... All went well for about 9 months - apart from the fan speed controller giving up the ghost, which I imported from the UK and replaced myself - with really good mpg and performance with no complaints or problems as long as you could ignore the antipollution msg and dash lights, I used the car mainly for long trips - 3-500kms - and some shorter trips... And then about 2 months ago, apropos of nothing, whilst out driving the 'ESP/ASR Not Functioning' msg appeared complete with the dreaded 'limp' mode, the 'antipollution' msg remained alongside the ESP/ASR msg... Since then I have checked all that I am able to check; electrical connections, filters - not the FAP particle filter though, fuses, carried out 2 electrical resets or latch resets, checked the MAF unit and no signs of being dirty or clogged in any way, checked the intercooler and again found it to be clean and clear (in it's honeycomb) and to have no oil inside, also checked the diaphragm behind the engine block and the operating rod is not broken and finally out of desperation, based on the experiences of someone - sorry don't know who? - on this forum, I cut the green wire coming out of the loom under the ECU, absolutely no change and nothing seemed to be affected!!!... The battery is new and is the correct one for this vehicle... I get BOTH fault msgs's with the 'skid' icon and the 'engine' icon and the 'service' msg in the instrument cluster, the ESP message kicks in about 5-10 mins from cold start and within 30secs after hot start, the antipollution kicks in straight away hot or cold and always has... Never any power loss or misfire - it is a HDi - had a service carried out about 4K kms ago which included filters, oils etc etc by a Citroen dealer, again despite me asking for any other probs to be flagged they said the same; no faults... Apart from these two 'faults' - the 'antipollution' and the ESP/ASR' - there are no other anomalies at all, the car has performed faultlessly in all other ways, it is the 4spd auto... All I need to be able to do is to get it to drive and then I can take it to a dealer and get their opinion, although I shudder at the thought of the cost - I replaced the fan speed controller and the total cost was $85, including post from the UK, cost of the unit here at a Citroen dealer, $427!!! and that is without fitting!!...as I am out in the bush this is starting to feel like the quintessential 'rock and a hard place' scenario, any help most welcome, thanx in advance...dizzy Quote
coastline taxis Posted September 7, 2011 Posted September 7, 2011 Its the yellow wire that you cut but that was for a 2.o litre hdi and yours is a 2.2 so its a different harnes so you need to rejoin your wire. for some reason i keep think that your fault is down to the fap filter and when you brought it back the first time the car done 750 k and no probs at all. i think that the car will have done a filter regeneration over that kind of distance. check throught th service records to see if it has been done if your not sure then phone the dealer whos on the service book and ask them they should have a log of everything thats been done to the car. Hav you got acsess to any diagnostic stuff Quote
dizzyblond Posted September 8, 2011 Author Posted September 8, 2011 Its the yellow wire that you cut but that was for a 2.o litre hdi and yours is a 2.2 so its a different harnes so you need to rejoin your wire. for some reason i keep think that your fault is down to the fap filter and when you brought it back the first time the car done 750 k and no probs at all. i think that the car will have done a filter regeneration over that kind of distance. check throught th service records to see if it has been done if your not sure then phone the dealer whos on the service book and ask them they should have a log of everything thats been done to the car. Hav you got acsess to any diagnostic stuff Hi Steve...many thanx for that, I have rejoined the yellow wire, it didn't seem to do much??!... Although I have some of the service records there is no detail and calling the dealer met with "sorry the privacy act" when I asked for detail... I have no diagnostic stuff but am happy to buy a Lexia and Galleto if that is what I need??... In fact any help in getting good working versions of both on e-bay would be a godsend?... I have (since my last post) checked all the fuses again and I also removed the fuses in all 3 fuse boxes that related to ESP/ASR but that did not deactivate the dreaded limp mode... If I need to use a Lexia etc will I also need a copy of the 'ecusafe' file?? and if so any ideas on who has one or where I can get it??...kinda running out of ideas here...many thanx for your time and energy...kind regards dizzy Quote
coastline taxis Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 weekend coming now so well be out of the garage and driving. So if you dont mind waiting till monday im sure weve got a spare lead and software to de fap a car. Are you mechanicy minded or willing to give it a try. if so take your fap filter of and give it a really good jetwash and see if that makes any differenc Quote
dizzyblond Posted September 9, 2011 Author Posted September 9, 2011 weekend coming now so well be out of the garage and driving. So if you dont mind waiting till monday im sure weve got a spare lead and software to de fap a car. Are you mechanicy minded or willing to give it a try. if so take your fap filter of and give it a really good jetwash and see if that makes any differenc Heh Steve...thanx for taking the time to try to help me I am very appreciative... I am a mechanical engineer of sorts - self taught bush engineer really, cars have never been a mystery or a problem for me until now!!!... For instance I have taken a Chrysler Torqueflite transmission - fitted to a Jensen CV8 - down to its last piece and rebuilt it without any manuals or special equipment, well except for help from that guy at The Clock Garage down on the A23 somewhere??... So I am more than confident to have a go, in fact I am determined not to let this sucker beat me!!... Will take FAP filter off - in line with the exhaust, right after the turbo outlet, right?? - and either pressure wash the ceramic insert or even remove ceramic insert altogether - I have heard that this is the best solution and gives the engine a more 'free flow' characteristic??? but will be guided by your hands on experience... I may not be able to take FAP filter off before next week as I am pretty busy right now and I believe it is a 3-4hr job and of course I have no hoist or pit to work from, but I am happy lying on my back, so to speak!... Naturally I am more than happy to pay for any expenses re. Lexia/Galleto ecusafe s/ware etc etc whether it is just the postage here and back or a hire fee as well, no problem, I am so determined to 'beat' it!!...have a good w/end talk next week...kind regards dizzy Quote
dizzyblond Posted September 12, 2011 Author Posted September 12, 2011 check your messages Hi Steve...OK here is the VIN number: VF7DCRHZE76528855...can't send messages from my 'Messages' function???...but obviously received yours, maybe send me an e.mail addy so we can use that??... I guess there are several ways to go with the hardware - the Lexia/Galleto - I am more than happy to pay for you to post your equip to me if you have it and you find this acceptable? or I am happy to buy the units, all I need to know, in the latter case, is which ones to buy (from the many Chinese versions available on e-bay, not all of which work correctly I'm sure!)... Again I am happy to purchase/lease the ECUsafe file or whatever s/ware is involved... I have a UK HSBC bank a/c so transferring funds to your bank will not be a problem... Jeez I am just itching to get this great car back up and running again - I really like the C5 and the diesel makes so much sense, I owned a Xantia diesel a few years ago and decided then that when a reasonable C5 came up I would buy it, well you know the rest!! but I am not about to give up and hopefully this s/ware + h/ware(the FAP ceramic filter) fix will return me to square 1...thanx for all your help so far...kind regards dizzy Quote
Old Mosher Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 This is the same runaround I had with my Hdi 2.2 auto. I did all the same things you have done till I was going nuts! But like the song The Cat Came Back the fault came back the very next day. I looked at all the vacuum hoses three or so times and though I found a split on the rubber end that connects to the swirl and on one of the dozer valves I just couldn't see the one that was on the swirl pot valve. It was that small! Worth going over Evey last hose from both ends and sucking the air out of one end with your finger on the other and see if you can get it to stay stuck to your tongue.Your lips will get black from the rubber as will your tongue and some of them are a pig to get off/at but if you find even the smallest leak you my well have fixed the car. It worked for me. B) Quote
coastline taxis Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 ok first dont get the chinese stuff its cheap and nasty and seen a few were they wreck the ecu. righy weve got the lead from laptop to obd and weve got the software to remove the dpf side altogether, so lets start by il send you a email adress you send me a postal adress and well get the tools over to you then you can decide what you want to do either borrow and return or buy it. but like i say well get it over to you first Quote
dizzyblond Posted September 13, 2011 Author Posted September 13, 2011 This is the same runaround I had with my Hdi 2.2 auto. I did all the same things you have done till I was going nuts! But like the song The Cat Came Back the fault came back the very next day. I looked at all the vacuum hoses three or so times and though I found a split on the rubber end that connects to the swirl and on one of the dozer valves I just couldn't see the one that was on the swirl pot valve. It was that small! Worth going over Evey last hose from both ends and sucking the air out of one end with your finger on the other and see if you can get it to stay stuck to your tongue.Your lips will get black from the rubber as will your tongue and some of them are a pig to get off/at but if you find even the smallest leak you my well have fixed the car. It worked for me. B) Thanx for that 'old mosher' I will carry out the check that you have flagged, like you say 'hopefully' it may fix things but in the mean time I will also remove the FAP filter etc as per guidance from 'coastline taxis'...one way or the other I am so determined to fix this darn thing!...kind regards dizzy Quote
coastline taxis Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 lead and software posted yesterday so your now in the hands of the great postal god ha ha Quote
dizzyblond Posted October 12, 2011 Author Posted October 12, 2011 Heh Steve (CoastLine Taxis)...I just PM'd you...dizzy Quote
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.