Welshguy Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 Just got off the phone to my brother - called him for something completely different but ended up being roped into a multi-buy arrangement for Xenon Headlights. He drives a Seat Cupra, and a number of members of seatcupra.net are multi-buying DIY generic xenon kits for their cars. My brother has seen the kit up close and personal and is raving about the quality, so has convinced me to buy in and he will fit them. Just transferred the money now... :lol: Posted from Seatcupra.net : http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v95/jonzy/23112006241.jpg Photo doesnt do it justice, these are ****ing amazing. Left hand side is HID and the right hand are osram 'ice white' standard bulbs. They look blue in the pic but they are really white. The only way to see the difference is to turn the main beam on, then you can really see the difference. Comments? :P Quote
ifigureditout Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 makes a hell of a difference. completes the car i think! Quote
Rich_Eason Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 Looks trick.... :lol: Is this a "TRUE" xenon system as the Factory Fitted ones need one hell of a voltage to get them going I believe in the region of 30,000 - 40,000 Volts? Thats some pretty serious voltage and needs serious wiring which normally requires completly different looms and "associated equipment". You will also need to install headlamp washers as this is also a legal requirement of these bulbs or it MOT failure later on in life. I know some guys messed about retro fitting ST170 HIDs into a standard Focus and had a N.I.G.H.T.M.A.R.E. Good luck :P Quote
Welshguy Posted November 27, 2006 Author Posted November 27, 2006 It is the "True" Xenon system, as the complete kit comes with the equipment (cannot remember the technical name of the box) to reach the required voltage. Did not know RE: the headlamp washers though - this is something I will have to take up with my brother! As for fitting - I'm told there will be a mass fitting session up one of the boy's house, probably this weekend, and my brother is a master at all things electrical so I have faith! At the end of the day if it doesn't fit/work, then I will simply sell them on. Ta for the good luck message though! Quote
Rich_Eason Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 Sounds good though and could be good fun! I take it you are going to leave all the original system in place to retrofit if need be? Get some snaps of the kit if you can would be just interested to see what you get and whats involved... This has always been the holy grail for cars not fitted with HID/Xenons and had read many stories of people who have tried to fit and have had complete strips of looms and equipment! Before you remove any lighting dont forget to record the alignment of your headlamps somewhere on a wall at a set distance, that way if they dont work you can reset them back to where they were. How do you set up the new Xenons e.g. ensuring beam distribution and leveling....? Mine has auto level on them not to dazle people going the other way when the car is loaded.... :lol: Quote
Mike5483 Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 Its just a choke thats switched on and off quickly, the removal of the supply from the choke and the collapse of the magnetic field causes the voltage to rise dramatically to maintain the field. Look up Lens's Law and all will be explained. Quote
CoolCarbon Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 Fitted a kit to my Bike in the Avatar....brilliant in every sense of the word... They use less power than normal bulbs and last, in theory the lifetime of the vehicle fitted to....not cheap though... What price are getting them at Welshguy? Quote
C4VTS Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 normally requires completly different looms and "associated equipment". You will also need to install headlamp washers as this is also a legal requirement of these bulbs or it MOT failure later on in life. These HID Kits have been around for ages on eBay. You might want to check your standard wiring is capable of taking the extra power needed first. There is no requirement for headlamp washers or self levelling suspension on aftermarket kits. Quote
Mike5483 Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 They dont take anymore power do they??? The voltage goes up, but the current goes down I think. Quote
Rich_Eason Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 Do they need a flux capacitor? :ph34r:...I've always wanted a car with one of those.... Quote
bill03 Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 You may have a problem with the Doppler compensators being out of phase with the warp matrix flux capacitor. I think, if you re-route the Induction coils via the Input response filters and a slight tweak of the torque buffers, this, coupled with a Frontal Lobotomy, everything should be ok. Rem: I must stop watching "Star Trek". :ph34r: Quote
ham's c4vts Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 I dont see why you have to have headlamp washers with H.I.D headlamps, you normally get the headlamp washers with top of the range cars like the VTS and Exclusive Quote
Rich_Eason Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 Its because they dont rely on lenses to refract the beam. I bet if you look at a car with normal lenses and one with HID, one will be clear and the other will have moulded refractors/direction... By keeping the lens clear this eliminates any issue of the beams being distorted in the case of the HID....hence why the spray jets.... Quote
C4VTS Posted November 27, 2006 Posted November 27, 2006 Found this answer on a site selling HID kits....... Are these HID systems road legal? According to EU legislation HID systems factory fitted from new require a self levelling system and a lens washer to be fitted. However this is not specified for aftermarket kits. Our kits have passed all safety and emmissions tests and produce the correct light pattern. We know they will pass an MOT (original bulbs can be reinstalled in minutes if required without uninstalling the HID system). We are not aware of any legality issues in terms of the police. However this issue is a grey one with lots of confusion so until we can obtain official written proof either way, we must sell these for off road and display systems only. Quote
Rich_Eason Posted November 28, 2006 Posted November 28, 2006 I think its a topic about grey as a grey thing on a grey day. We know they will pass an MOT (original bulbs can be reinstalled in minutes if required without uninstalling the HID system). Red Text = Get Out Clause The only reason it passes the MOT is because it isnt the HID Bulbs that are being tested! Our kits have passed all safety and emmissions tests Safety - So you will want to be seeing "E" marked or "CE" on the bulb... if not they are illegal. If Bobby stops you and sees no marks he/she is within their right to deem your car unfit to drive. This was an issue with Halfrauds selling high power bulbs without these marks. Everytime we sold one we had to explain for off road use only... Emmissions - Are they the worlds first auto scented bulbs? Quote
Welshguy Posted November 28, 2006 Author Posted November 28, 2006 I take it you are going to leave all the original system in place to retrofit if need be? Correct. My brother had a quick look under the bonnet last night and on each side of the engine there is a perfect place to place the electrical units needed to initialise the HIDs. Get some snaps of the kit if you can would be just interested to see what you get and whats involved... Will do - I think you will be impressed too...my brother tends to be a bit of a perfectionist! This has always been the holy grail for cars not fitted with HID/Xenons and had read many stories of people who have tried to fit and have had complete strips of looms and equipment! This was one of the questions that I asked my brother about yesterday - apparently the kit doesn't require any extra bits and pieces..its all ready to be fitted, and doesn't require any connection to the battery. How do you set up the new Xenons e.g. ensuring beam distribution and leveling....? Mine has auto level on them not to dazle people going the other way when the car is loaded.... Not a clue ! What price are getting them at Welshguy? A good one :blink: This is one of the better kits around (apparently) - 5 of us ordered at £80 per kit. Do they need a flux capacitor? I believe they do - but I borrowed one out of my neighbours Mini :ph34r: You may have a problem with the Doppler compensators being out of phase with the warp matrix flux capacitor.I think, if you re-route the Induction coils via the Input response filters and a slight tweak of the torque buffers, this, coupled with a Frontal Lobotomy, everything should be ok. Will be sure to pass that onto my brother when he fits them... Quote
Rich_Eason Posted November 28, 2006 Posted November 28, 2006 Do they need a flux capacitor? I believe they do - but I borrowed one out of my neighbours Mini :ph34r: Wow... :blink: Where do I get one? The bloke across the road has a RX8 do they have them? Quote
Welshguy Posted November 30, 2006 Author Posted November 30, 2006 Anybody know what "type" of sidelight bulbs the C4 uses? I've had a look on a few sites with no luck, but I've come across a few Citroen models using "501" bulbs...would this work? Quote
skaramanga Posted November 30, 2006 Posted November 30, 2006 The xenons sound cool.I'll be interested in how you get on soon. Would love to do that too, but don't think i'd be able to, without wrecking the car! Quote
Mike5483 Posted November 30, 2006 Posted November 30, 2006 Hi mate. Ive looked at my sidelamp bulbs today. They are the connector at the top of the light, the small one. You twist the whole holder and it will come out of the lens. Then you just pull the lamp out. They are W5W lamps and are available from Powerbulbs. Philips do some Cool Blue ones. Ive just ordered some. They are £9.95 a pair. Quote
Welshguy Posted December 1, 2006 Author Posted December 1, 2006 Did you order them online? Do you have a link? Cheers for the info, very much Appreciated! Will be looking to get some of these ASAP! Quote
Rich_Eason Posted December 1, 2006 Posted December 1, 2006 Just a thought.... Once the HID kit has been fitted, do you kinow if your Main Beam (not dipped) will still function? I dont know if the main beam has a seperate bulb on the standard C4 lights however, if the main bulb shares both Main and Dipped beams, you will loose the ability to have Main Beam on fitting of the kit. Quote
skaramanga Posted December 1, 2006 Posted December 1, 2006 Main beam and dipped beam are separate bulbs, so main beams should be still okay when you change dipped bulbs Quote
Rich_Eason Posted December 1, 2006 Posted December 1, 2006 Thats ok, I didnt know if they had seperate bulbs for each as the factory fit HID set up.... Quote
Mike5483 Posted December 1, 2006 Posted December 1, 2006 http://www.powerbulbs.co.uk/prodtype.asp?P...SearchCriteria= This is the link to the ones I have bought. Quote
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