henry14 Posted March 1, 2007 Posted March 1, 2007 I currently own a j reg ax 10 debuet 1 litre, after some scally broke into to my little ax i am left with the need to repace all of the locks, after searching far and wide i have found the cheapest to be around £35 for a full set, i have been offered a m reg ax 1.1 forte limited edition for £50, the one with central locking, bucket seats etc, the forte's engines head gasket has blown and so will need replacing, i was wondering if either of the following would be possible, firstly could i take the central locking pumps and locks etc from the forte and put them in my debeut? or ideally could i take my working 1 litre engine and put it into the forte? if yes what problems could i expect to receive? also my debeut has a manual choke, would i have any problems with the fact that the forte has an automatic choke? Quote
kfk Posted March 1, 2007 Posted March 1, 2007 I would assume from what your saying that your 1.0 is a carburetor model and the 1.1 is a fuel injected model. I think it would be less hassle for you to fit a head gasket and get the other engine going. The biggest issue regarding all your suggestions would be the wiring harnesses...... are you a good electrician? Quote
henry14 Posted March 1, 2007 Author Posted March 1, 2007 I would assume from what your saying that your 1.0 is a carburetor model and the 1.1 is a fuel injected model. I think it would be less hassle for you to fit a head gasket and get the other engine going. The biggest issue regarding all your suggestions would be the wiring harnesses...... are you a good electrician? thanks for your response, sadly im no electrician, do you know roughly how much it would cost to sort out the head gasket? Quote
gnord Posted July 20, 2007 Posted July 20, 2007 thanks for your response, sadly im no electrician, do you know roughly how much it would cost to sort out the head gasket? You could change the engine over, but it would be simpler to fix the forte engine. (If that's all thats wrong with it.) I would replace the locks, with the one's you can get for £35, buy the forte, fix the head gasket (if that's all thats wrong with it!) get it MOT'd and flog it for £300-£400! I have a receipt here for a gasket replacement on a 1.1 Echo (Same difference) which says £350, (two years ago) but it depends on why the gasket blew, and who does the job. (The £350 bill is probaby why the forte is going for £50.) This one blew due to overheating which warped the head, and so a head skim was required, and the price included an oil and coolant change, a new cooling fan sensor, plus cambelt (Getting near to replacement anyway!). That also includes about 4hours of service charge at £35/hour + VAT, and at least a 50% markup on all parts. (eg £30 for a gallon of oil!). So best do it yourself! If you do it yourself, then you are looking at the cost of a top-end gasket kit, probably a gallon of oil, and a bottle of antifreeze. If the head needs skimming you can probably get that done for £50. (You won't know if you need it until you get the head off.) It's probably a good idea to allow yourself a couple of weekends to do it. It can be done in four hours in a well-equipped workshop, but you should allow time for fiddling about. Getting it off without disturbing the liners can be tricky, as you have to make sure the old gasket seal is free so that it can't lift them and break the liner seals. Also, while you have the head off you should take the trouble to de-carbonise the pistons and cylinder head. This will reduce pinking, which can cause progressive damage to the piston ring lands, which will shorten the life of the engine. (Best avoided, unless you fancy a complete engine overhaul soon. You can completely overhaul the engines on these with the minimum of equipment. It's a lot of work, but the engine should run like new after!) When you put it back on setting the tension on the timing belt requires a tool that you may have to make. It's simple enough. The citroen tool will be hard to come by, and a 'universal' tensioning kit will cost near a hundred pounds even on eBay. (You could of course buy one on eBay and then sell it back!) You don't want the timing belt to break or slip off due to incorrect tensioning, otherwise you will be looking at a complete new cylinder head. Good luck! Quote
gnord Posted July 20, 2007 Posted July 20, 2007 You could change the engine over, but it would be simpler to fix the forte engine. (If that's all thats wrong with it.) I would replace the locks, with the one's you can get for £35, buy the forte, fix the head gasket (if that's all thats wrong with it!) get it MOT'd and flog it for £300-£400! I have a receipt here for a gasket replacement on a 1.1 Echo (Same difference) which says £350, (two years ago) but it depends on why the gasket blew, and who does the job. (The £350 bill is probaby why the forte is going for £50.) This one blew due to overheating which warped the head, and so a head skim was required, and the price included an oil and coolant change, a new cooling fan sensor, plus cambelt (Getting near to replacement anyway!). That also includes about 4hours of service charge at £35/hour + VAT, and at least a 50% markup on all parts. (eg £30 for a gallon of oil!). So best do it yourself! If you do it yourself, then you are looking at the cost of a top-end gasket kit, probably a gallon of oil, and a bottle of antifreeze. If the head needs skimming you can probably get that done for £50. (You won't know if you need it until you get the head off.) It's probably a good idea to allow yourself a couple of weekends to do it. It can be done in four hours in a well-equipped workshop, but you should allow time for fiddling about. Getting it off without disturbing the liners can be tricky, as you have to make sure the old gasket seal is free so that it can't lift them and break the liner seals. Also, while you have the head off you should take the trouble to de-carbonise the pistons and cylinder head. This will reduce pinking, which can cause progressive damage to the piston ring lands, which will shorten the life of the engine. (Best avoided, unless you fancy a complete engine overhaul soon. You can completely overhaul the engines on these with the minimum of equipment. It's a lot of work, but the engine should run like new after!) When you put it back on setting the tension on the timing belt requires a tool that you may have to make. It's simple enough. The citroen tool will be hard to come by, and a 'universal' tensioning kit will cost near a hundred pounds even on eBay. (You could of course buy one on eBay and then sell it back!) You don't want the timing belt to break or slip off due to incorrect tensioning, otherwise you will be looking at a complete new cylinder head.Good luck! Mind you I forgot to mention, changing the locks over should not be a problem. You don't need the central locking, and they will work just fine without wiring! Quote
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