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Now that my Dealer has refunded my money for my 1.6 Sensodrive with air-con what should I buy?
I've looked at a Peugeot 206cc but I've been told some real horror stories about leaking roofs; although I'm not sure if it only applies to the earliest cars.
I also looked at the Renault (Rubbish) Megane coupe-cabriolet, more expensive and larger. Delivery looks like 3 -6 months but is it too early to know about any problems.
Maybe I should wait for the Ford and Nissan "tin-tops"?
Any comments?
Posted
I know someone who bought one of the early examples of 206 cc and they were not happy with it, rattles, leaks etc and when the exhuast had to be replaced it was very expensive as it is not a straightforward job.

Really depends on your main criteria for the car...
Soft/hard top, number of seats, insurance group, engine power, MPG, boot space etc etc etc

Assuming a full refund gives you close to 14k you have lots of choices especially if you go for used cars, all of the convertibles below I found for under £14,000 on the autotrader web site:

2000 W reg Audi Cabriolet, convertible or (with only 2 seats) TT
1999 T reg BMW 3 series convertible
1995 M reg Mercedes SL500 convertible
2000 W reg Saab 9-3 convertible
2003 03 reg Vauxhall Astra convertible

If you only need 2 seats:
2004 brand new Fiat barchetta
2004 brand new Vauxhall Tigra
2004 brand new Mazda MX-5
2004 04 Ford StreetKa
2000 V reg Honda S2000
1997 R reg Mercedes SLK
2002 02 reg Toyota MR2

Ian
Orange 03 Senso
Posted
Congratulations on getting your money back from the dealer, if I were you I'd bank it. It seems to me that spending good money on new models or cars is simply money down the drain and into the fat cat manufactures pockets. After my experiences with the Pluriel and Citroen I will never buy a new model again and am only accepting a new car - a Picasso - because I can't get a refund.
  • 2 weeks later...
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Fantastic to hear someone else got their money back!!! Victory!

My request for a refund (see legal jargon topic) is being responded to tomorrow so I will update you all to see if I get what i wanted.

Did you just get full refund or did you ask for any compensation too?
I have asked for a bit of compensation to the value of the added extras I got as compensation with my replacement...

Gar.
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Slightly different scenario to yours.
The newspaper interviewed my neighbours about the alarm going off constantly and then asked the Dealer to comment. The Dealer phoned me offering a cheque immediately if I stopped the article. It took a day or two to organise as it was our only car but I got the full purchase price I paid in November, around £13k. I didn't ask for compensation, considering the wicked depreciation. The car is on their forecourt at just over £10k (losing £3k in 9 months)
We did like it a lot. On the occassions they loaned us a car we took down the top and it was great fun (we were unable to do this on ours as the back window never, ever went back into place!!!)
We've been looking at the Peugeot 206cc which suffers hardly any depreciation and although they've had problems and unhappy owners it hasn't unduly affected second-hand prices. Hard to see how Citroen got it so wrong, maybe something in the way they deal with problems?
The Pluriel should have been a car in demand that held it's price.
My 18 year love-affair with Citroens has now ended.
Posted
Funny how folk jump through hoops when the media get involved.

Citroen only really started working with me to get my first replacement when i threatened legal action and media involvement.

Will update later when i get their decision!
Posted
Well it has worked.

Citroen have just agreed to give me a full refund.

Will take a couple of weeks to sort out but I have had the verbal confirmation.

Keep pressing them whoever else is still struggling and dont give up....

Use cases on here as examples...if they can do it for one...why not all....

Will keep an eye on the site if anyone wants advice feel free to e-mail me via this or to gar200@aol.com.

Good luck to the rest of you!

Here's to my new Peugoet!!
Posted
I lived with a 206cc for two months and it was ghastly.

No space and drives like a prison bed. Even worse than my BMW MINIs. Build quality was average and I was amused to see that my sub 8K Berlingo shares switchgear and instruments. They look great in the Lingo, but cheap in the 206. The roof was a PITA to get to close properly, and many journeys were accompanied by the sound of the "roof not closed" chime which can be a little trying.

At the risk of looking like a hairdresser, the Beetle Cabrio probably a reasonable choice. Better than the MINI Cab (oh yes... all those jokes) although the Emperor's new clothes syndrome keeps residuals high on the MINI. at least with the VW there is something of a heritage to fall back on, and a retro look, whilst the MINI has no real cabrio forebear to inspire it. There was no convertible offered on the real Mini except out of works conversions (yes, even the Official Rover version was done by an independent conversion company) It also just looks stupid with too much roof material on the sides. The StreetKa is a good cheap option if you don't mind the Anglia engine.

Or hang it all and buy a Berlingo with the 2CV sunroof. Check this forum. The only really happy bunnies are the Berlingoists. This is because they've paid less than everyone else for a practical, fun and RELIABLE car which upholds the Citroen tradition of bucking the trend. ........ and 4 million delivery drivers can't be wrong!!

TronX
Posted
4000 in 6 months?

Yeouch.

Did you buy yours when it was launched and paid full price?

Sadly its the case with Citroen nowadays with their values plummeting like the proverbial lead balloon. Citroens does suffer from harsh initial deprecation which does stabilise after a year or so.

Since the cashback deals were appled to models (more on C5, Picassos than Pluriels etc) its had a general knock on effect with values of all Citroens which hurts their owners whether their paid full price or not.

The attitude with dealers is that if one Citroens been discounted regardless of model, they all will have so that drives the residual prices down.

Todays discount is tomorrows depreciation.

Still they make sound second hand buys. I traced my C3 after 16 months. Lost £3200 but bought my estate which was the same age for less than a grand. Result. But I am aware that the model will lose a lot of money especialy when its about to be made defunct by the C4.

Yes Citroen/Pug are the same company (PSA group) but Pugeots pricing policy is absolutely crazy. The premium some drivers are willing to pay for a lion on the bonnet.
Same shocking build quality, same electrical glitches, same vulnerability to the elements. Pretty cars though.
Posted
[quote name='JULIEKING' date='Sep 25 2004, 01:41 PM']peugeot and citroen are both the same company found out today when i went in to disscuss my pluriel with the manager. my citroen has lost 4000 in six months.[/quote]
Not exactly the same company, but part of the same group. Components, esp. engines, are shared (witness 206CC and Berlingo have same switches/dials post above!!) but design teams are different. Pugs usually cost more, even when models are near identical (eg Berlingo and Partner) but residuals are usually proprtionally higher with Peugeots (although perversely not with the Partner/Berlingo, the Berlingo holds value better). The 206CC traditionally holds its value well, but is now starting to lose its shine and softening slightly. My 51reg 2.0 206CC sold for 9.5K with 21,000 on the clock last month, but worth 9K now after the reg change.

The novelty has gone from the CC. Now it's no longer the trendy thing to be seen in (that accolade belongs to the MINI Cab) and finance packages are coming to an end they're starting to flood the market.

If your Pluriel has been faulty from the start, then depreciation doesn't enter in to the equation. You want a REFUND less a small wear and tear allowance, not something that is dictated by market forces. LesW managed it, so should you, regardless if Citroen WANT it back or not. STAND YOUR GROUND, but I wouldn't spend the refund money on a 206CC if I were you..........

TronX
Posted
Tried standing my ground but told because the car is on finance , thats the best deal I can have going to exchange the car for a c2 sx hdi. also got a cheque for £500 for the incon . Im sure im still the loser in this situation. And to think I was advised not to by one before I got it of a citroen tec . but us women know best .. :lol: ;) ;)
  • 11 months later...
Posted
Well, I've had my Pluriel for 6 months now and although initially pleased with it was getting fed up of the even increasing number of rattles, the starting signs of leaking roof (11k miles now), and seats that look really really grubby (1.6 senso) have decided to change it for the ever dreaded 206cc - so wish me luck :-) before I lost any more money on it - had it 6 months, bought for 7700, traded in for 5400 (best was 6300, but only on a brand new car), so hey - bailing out now before I sink! Good luck to you all!!!
  • 2 weeks later...
Posted
Since I started off this topic!
Just to say I bought a 206cc 1.6 Allure, nearly a year ago and have not regretted it. We had some torrential rain in the first week and the roof leaked (not again I thought!) but the Dealer had it in for 2 days and it's been no trouble since, and we've had some pretty heavy rain! No other problems and we've done nearly 10k miles.
My wife did start the engine while the roof was in mid travel and it just stayed there but there's a comprehensive description of how to close it manually in the handbook and it wasn't a problem; once it was shut it knew where it was and has been fine since. A quick rub round with some rubber lubricant on the window rubbers once a month cures any rattles, although I've not really had any.
I'd certainly have another, probably the diesel.

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