hertsnminds Posted October 1, 2004 Posted October 1, 2004 Went to have a look at the new Vauxhall Tigra today (just out of interest) and got the following values for my Pluriel July 2003, 1.6 Senso, in Orange with 14,000 miles (no extras) Book value £7,300 Trade-in against a new Tigra (cost about £15k) £6,000 Private sale £8,000 Ian Orange 03 Senso Quote
pork_pie Posted October 3, 2004 Posted October 3, 2004 ******* hell. I am assuming that your Pluriel when you bought it cost 14k? After 15 months it costs less than half? I am not defending the Vauhal dealer but I guess demand for Tigras are high enough that they are in a position to offer diddly for your car. Smug bast*rds. I know intitial depreciation of Citroens especially is severe but there is soemthing wrong here. Your mileage ain't high enough to be alarmed. Were you given any reasons why the car fetched such a poor return? I mentioned here in a different post that the trade attitude is that if some citroens have had thousands slashed off, they all have regardless of the owner paying full price or not. Quote
hertsnminds Posted October 3, 2004 Author Posted October 3, 2004 Thankfully I did not buy my Pluriel new, so I only paid just over 9k for it with 5000 miles on the clock. The fact that Citroen knocked 2k off the price after 6 months has not helped residual values. You can pick up brand new 1.6 Pluriel for about £11.5k from the car supermarkets Citroen website has the offical price as £13,795 but the cashback deal makes them £12,295 If you choose the elect 3 payment calculator and select a Pluriel they give a ZERO final payment i.e. Citroen believe the Pluriel has ZERO value after 2 years :blink: Monthly payments are over £500 so you have paid the lot in the 2 years Choose any other model C3, Berlingo etc etc and you get final payment figures: 5 Door C3 1.6 Senso, up 12k miles a year over 2 years, initial price £12,745, final payment (future value) £5,697 Well the Vauxhall dealer was able to offer £500 off the Tigra list so even on a brand new car they had some room to manouvre. (They had a free air con deal worth £500 and now they are doing free insurance) Ian Orange 03 Senso Quote
pork_pie Posted October 3, 2004 Posted October 3, 2004 One thing I learnt from my C3 experiences is to bever buy a Citroen brand new. I bought the used Xsara Estate in Feb for 7995. My wife who wants a C2HdiSX - I have told her to wait for a year old example. To buy one new is sheer madness. Zero MGFV/Final payment? Jeez thats amazing. Was the rumour that Pluriels were going to be discontinued just plain rubbish? Such a shame as the Pluriel is a lovely car with character but the list of niggles would drive me to suicide. Quote
bylromarha Posted October 29, 2004 Posted October 29, 2004 No its depressing, isn't it? I have to sell my pluriel, which I love, cos of my new baby. The boot makes it really hard to get the pram in and out...especially being a short person ( when i was pregnant the boot was "fun" after a trip to Tesco). The best value p-ex I have so far is £6400 from jamjar. its 53 reg, 10000 miles, 1.4, silver, air con, cd changer and can't believe how little its worth. Thankfully I got a really good deal when I bought it, but its depressing to lose so much after just one year. I'm getting better trade in values from internet traders than the citroen dealers and I'm going to buy a berlingo! The dealers obviously know what the pluriel is worth. I think I've already worked out something similar to the advice above about only buying Citroens 2nd hand...the 2nd hand berlingo prices have dropped from the list price quite a bit! But I love the cars...!!!! Though do I love them enough to lose that much money? Quote
hertsnminds Posted November 1, 2004 Author Posted November 1, 2004 Took the Pluriel in for more work today. The dealer has an 03 1.4 Pluriel on the forecourt for £7995, not sure what the milage was on it. Not sure who will buy a car with a number plate ending in OAP though! Ian Orange 03 Senso Quote
tronboy Posted November 1, 2004 Posted November 1, 2004 [quote name='bylromarha' date='Oct 29 2004, 11:14 AM'] I'm getting better trade in values from internet traders than the citroen dealers and I'm going to buy a berlingo! The dealers obviously know what the pluriel is worth. I think I've already worked out something similar to the advice above about only buying Citroens 2nd hand...the 2nd hand berlingo prices have dropped from the list price quite a bit! [/quote] Sensible car!! And after initial depreciation, they don't drop much more. A 'V' reg berlingo 1.9D is still worth about 4K in a private sale, and older ones don't seem to be much cheaper. Obviously nobody buys one at list price anyway... Quote
Andy33 Posted November 4, 2004 Posted November 4, 2004 How depressing... I went to test drive a Mini Convertible yesterday (ie not cheap) and was offered £5300 for my Pluriel (June 03 1.4 with 7300 miles on the clock) :blink: I got more than that trading in a 2.5 year old Peugeot 206 with 25000 on the clock when I bought the Pluriel. Time to cut my losses I think and get shot of it whilst I can still get THAT much! For a car to lose almost £7500 in 17 months is shocking! My only hope is that my Citroen dealer might be able to offer me more to buy it back, and then be able to sell it on their own forecourt. Plus, according to one of the car mags I was browsing in a shop yesterday you can pick up a brand new Pluriel now for around £9000..... :D Quote
gar200 Posted November 4, 2004 Posted November 4, 2004 I wouldn't bet on the dealership giving you a better deal.... my old car which was replaced in March of this year due to faults is still sat on the forecourt.... Its 03 reg with only 5000 miles on clock and i thinks its up for £8k.... Quote
Andy33 Posted November 5, 2004 Posted November 5, 2004 Well... took the Pluriel in today for another leak fix, and asked what price they would give me for the car. The salesman was falling over himself trying not to lose me as a customer and is now trying to talk me into a C2 VTR with top spec which they have in stock brand new. The price on the screen is over 13K and the manager is offering it to me for 4500 plus the Pluriel! Which means that in effect he's prepared to give me £9000 trade in to keep my custom! Which would be great except I'm not that keen on the C2 and my girlfriend hates it, but at least it gives me more bargaining power (have passed the details to the Mini dealership and told them to up their offer or I go elsewhere) :blink: Happy bargain hunting everyone! Quote
hertsnminds Posted November 5, 2004 Author Posted November 5, 2004 The Citroen UK website lists the C2 at the following prices... VTS with 1 years insurance £11,995 OTR VTR Ministry of Sound with 1 years insurance £11,395 OTR VTR SensoDrive with 1 years insurance £11,195 OTR Pluriel are listed at... 1.6 SensoDrive £12,295 OTR 1.4 Manual Petrol £10,695 OTR So you are being offered 9k against a car that is overpriced by 2k and if you buy the C2 VTR on Elect 3 the future vaule after 2 years is £4941 that is on a car that cost £11,195 These are from the auto trader web site... 2003 53 Reg CITROEN C2 1.6i 16V VTR SensoDrive 3 Doors, Automatic, Hatchback, Petrol, 12,500 miles, Black. ABS, Adjustable seats, Adjustable steering column/wheel, Alloy wheels, Cruise control, Driver airbag, Electric mirrors, Electric windows, Foglights, Head restraints, Folding rear seats, Immobiliser, Passenger airbag, Power assisted steering, Remote locking, Radio/CD, Side airbags, Rear headrests, Sports seats. Reduced from £8,450 to £7,950 2003 CITROEN C2 1.6 16v VTR SENSORDRIVE, 53 reg. 5000 miles, yes only 5,000 miles, 1 owner, stunning jet black, absolutely faultless throughout, first will buy, credit cards accepted, absolute bargain & rarely available. £7,995 2004 04 Reg CITROEN C2 1.6i 16V VTR SensoDrive 3 Doors, Automatic, Hatchback, Petrol, 5,000 miles, Metallic Silver. ABS, Adjustable seats, Adjustable steering column/wheel, Alloy wheels, Cruise control, Driver airbag, Electric mirrors, Electric windows, Foglights, Head restraints, Folding rear seats, Immobiliser, Passenger airbag, Power assisted steering, Remote locking, Radio/CD, Side airbags, Rear headrests, Sports seats. rear spoiler eibach lowered eibach suspension manufacturers warranty £7,999. Ian Orange 03 Senso Quote
n_olympios Posted November 8, 2004 Posted November 8, 2004 Citroen C5 2.0 Exclusive w/sunroof, bought in August 2001 for 30.000 euros (18.750 pounds in today's values) Max selling price we achieved 2 months ago was 15.000 euros, exactly half the purchase price (9.375 pounds). Did we sell it? Hell no. It would be idiotic to do so. :blink: Quote
tronboy Posted November 12, 2004 Posted November 12, 2004 I had two MINIs and they both made Citroens look like the paragons of reliability. They are truly shite cars, and as for the convertible, it should have chrome plated springs and a "Silver Cross" badge on the side of it to give it some shred of cred. And it NEEDS those parking sensors! If you can be arsed, here's my MINI story from the BBC Top gear website..... It starts with a list of faults: 2001 Y-reg MINI One: * A loose windscreen seal requiring the replacement of the screen * Two cracked gear knobs * Paint peeling off the steering wheel surround * Noisy gurgling from the air-con * Puckered driver's seat fabric * A leaky boot * Disintegrating foam behind the air intake vents * Paint peeling off the towing-eye covers * Occasionally the device which raised and dropped the door glass to enable opening and closing of the door would fail to work, resulting in the side window being forced against the rain guttering. I traded this car in after 37,000 miles for a brand new 03 MINI One, which would not easily get reverse gear. With the gearbox and linkage replaced, the car was still not much better. Oh, also the boot lock started to play up, and air would whistle noisily around the doors at anything over 70mph. 7,000 miles and three months later, I sold the car in disappointment. I can't believe that any of these cars are trouble-free, and woe betide any poor soul who should buy one in the future with an expired warranty. Even the basic design is flawed. Sure it's pretty, but the lack of stowage space (especially in the earlier cars sans glovebox lid) is infuriating. It is impossible to use the screenwashers with the windows even slightly open without getting a faceful of glycol-sweetened soapy water. Even the 1992 VW Golf had rudimentary channels on the windscreen edges to divert water up and over the car instead of into it, and the last car I drove which poured rainwater from the roof into the interior when the driver simply sat in it was a 1967 Citroen Ami6. At least that had the good grace to look ugly as a warning to the foolhardy. On a positive note, the BMW dealer from whom I bought the car was courteous throughout my ownership of these two cars, and was as helpful as possible, although the claim that "some gearboxes just seem to be like that" did little to encourage me to keep the second car. If I had not covered such a high mileage in such a short time, I 'd have been shouting for my money back. Just as well I'm a reasonable guy. On the other hand, BMW's customer services helpdesk were merely sympathetic rather than helpful. Last week I spoke to a driving instructor who had a new '04 MINI OneD. Her previous Cooper had been back to the dealership 92 times..... NINETY-TWO TIMES!!! with problems. Her OneD was a replacement car sold to her "at cost" as compensation for her trouble. She said that the amount of money lost in her wages due to the Courtesy Car not being fitted with Dual controls amounted to about 9 months-worth. BMW won't be interested in your car. They have too many fashion-led tossers beating a path to their door for these stupid, flawed little cars so they'll not care about not selling one to you. I traded in a Golf GTi for my first MINI and got a pittance for it because along with countless others, I was so keen to get my hands on a new MINI. What BMW have done so cleverly is to keep the servicing free for the first 50,000 miles. This keeps everything 'in-house' so non-franchised garages have no concept of just how unreliable these shiteboxes are. The other thing you'll find is that the image of the car is so strong, that even owners who have had problems either refuse to admit it or accept them as the price of stylishness, as in the case of our driving instructor. This "Emperor's New Clothes" syndrome keeps residuals sky high.......... Good luck!! Tron X Quote
CE08LDB Posted December 22, 2004 Posted December 22, 2004 A Garage in Cardiff has a C3 Pluriel 03 reg 1.4i Artic Steel 5,000 miles £6,995 Quote
hertsnminds Posted February 15, 2005 Author Posted February 15, 2005 I see the Citroen UK website is now giving future values for Pluriel. Spend £13,795 on a 1.6 Sensodrive with a £2,000 deposit and after 2 years and 18000 miles the car will be worth... £5,162 after 3 years and 27000 miles it is worth... £3,641 So Citroen believe the Pluriel depreciates by £10,000 (about 72.5%) over 3 years :o :D :o Ian Orange 03 Senso Quote
CE08LDB Posted February 28, 2005 Posted February 28, 2005 A friend of mine just bought a ex demo New Tigra. its a lovely car on the out side but I found the C3 Pluriel has a better interior design dashboard etc and more space.I found like fo example the indicator stalks and wiper stalks Vauxhall used look like the ones they used on the Nova Corsa etc. Quote
hertsnminds Posted February 28, 2005 Author Posted February 28, 2005 The Tigra was always based on the Corsa so uses many of the same parts (dash, steering column, etc etc). Compared with most 2 seater soft tops I thought the storage space was quite good (nice cubby hole behind the seats) and with the roof up the boot space is very good. The 1 thing I didn't like about it was the stupid way you have to hold your finger on a button to close the boot and it is a button outside the car. So if it is raining you have to stand there for about 20 seconds while you and the contents of the boot get wet! Ian Orange 03 Senso Quote
CE08LDB Posted February 28, 2005 Posted February 28, 2005 New Tigra I see what you mean about the boot. I know its nice to have a boot which opens electricaly but it should have a button on the key remote or you only press the button once. The Tigra to me is more of a girls car. The Pluriel can be for both Male and female can't it really. The Tigra's I have seen on the road have been female drivers driving them. Im not a fan of Vauxhall though. Like my brother passed his test in a P reg Corsa and he was going to have one but then he saw a Saxo which he found it had a better style and the Auto engine was a 1.6i where the Corsa was a 1.2i 16v Auto. Citroen have had alot of problems and with the trouble my brother have had with his 2nd Saxo and his current C3 would put some people off Citroen but as I am a fan of Citroen I wanted one. 3 of us will have Citroens in my family. My Sisters has a 52 2002 reg Saxo 1.1i Desire I helped her friend buy a Y reg Saxo 1.1i Desire he is really happy with it. My brother has a 52 2003 reg C3 1.4i SX Auto And as you know I will be having a C3 1.6i 16v Exclusive Sensodrive My older Sister has a 53 2003 reg 206 1.4i S Quote
hertsnminds Posted February 28, 2005 Author Posted February 28, 2005 I usually choose a car for drivability or functionality. I found the Tigra very nice to drive, light clutch good gearbox (only tried the 1.8). Like you soooo easy to put another button somewhere for the boot but it is probably a nanny state safety feature so no one can get any parts of their anatomy trapped in the closing boot lid :rolleyes: My first cars were Vauxhalls, a Chevette and a 2nd generation Astra. I have also had a Citroen BX GTI which was a great car didn't matter what load you had in it always drove the same way and the trick suspension for puddles and high kerbs was great. The only thing letting the current Citroens down for me is the residual values and the niggling faults. But as long as you have a reasonable dealer and a car under warranty the faults are not an issue. Ian Orange 03 Senso Quote
StephenM Posted March 24, 2005 Posted March 24, 2005 Can believe those pluriel values!!!! Makes the trade in in price for my berlingo 1.6 forte with 38,000 miles on the clock of £5k (plus an extra £500 dealer allowance as my car was mint) against a new Berlingo HDi seem pretty good now! Even my saxo VTR which was sold after 4 years with 70,000 miles on the clock and aftermarket alarm, suspension and alloys went for £3,700 (private sale) :ph34r: I do look after my cars though. Quote
hertsnminds Posted July 4, 2005 Author Posted July 4, 2005 Went into a Citroen dealer today to find out the price of a Picasso Desire 1.6HDi book price just over 16,000 salesmans first price 15,145 salesmans best price 12,145 Trade in value (Glass's guide) of my June 03 Pluriel 5,500, pretty close to the Citroen GFV of 5,162 after 2 years. Interesting that the 1.6 (110bhp) diesel Picasso is more powerful than the 2.0 and it is insurance group 8, the Pluriel, a 1.6 petrol with a soft roof is only group 6. Ian Orange 03 Senso Quote
CE08LDB Posted July 5, 2005 Posted July 5, 2005 What I find lately with Citroen is the the trim levels don't have many extras especialy on the C3 This is what the C3 Exclusive has over SX Leather Steering Wheel Alarm Cruise Control 15" Lynx Alloy Wheels Child Pack Extra interior mirror and back picknic tables Moduboard Silver Door Handles/Boot Moulding Between 2002 - 2004 Early 54 reg. The Exclusive used to have these CD Draw Electric Folding Mirrors was standared on all C3s not fitted anymore 12v Socket Parking Permit Clip was standared on all C3s not fitted anymore At least with the Picasso and C4 and C5 there is alot more extras on the Exclusive models than its lower models as for the C3 there is not much difference between SX and Exclusive I notice my dealer has alot of 02 and 52 reg C3 Exclusives for sale lately. Im glad I had the 1.6i 16v Sensodrive Exclusive and not the 1.4i SX Auto but if I was buying the car I would want a bit for my moneys worth. I tell you what im surprised that the 1.6i 16v Sensodrive can catch up with cars with bigger engines. I over took another C3 Exclusive the New Tigra the other day. The 1.6i 16v is alot faster than the 1.4i SX Auto. Wonder how nippy is the C3 1.6i 16v VTR. Why don't you test drive one Ian or the new C3 1.6HDi SX/Exclusive/XTR I see Renault (Rubbish) are doing a Sensodrive system on the New Clio in October 2005 I like Citroen the best but the other cars I can say I do like is Peugeot 206/206cc/307cc Renault (Rubbish) Megane Cabriolet 1996 - 2003 New Vauxhall Tigra Ford Focus Hey I wonder will the New C1 will have any faults? The C4 seems to be going well at the moment. Quote
hertsnminds Posted July 6, 2005 Author Posted July 6, 2005 I test drove the 1.4 and 1.6 Pluriel before I got mine and found the 1.4 very sluggish on comparison to the 1.6. [quote]I over took another C3 Exclusive the New Tigra the other day[/quote] Remember Vauxhall produce the slowest accelerating sports coupe in the the world with the diesel version of the Tigra. 0-60 time 15.5 seconds top speed 104mph but you do get a claimed 61mpg. The car weighs 1190kg and has 70bhp. The 1.6 C3 weighs 1063kg and has 110bhp, 0-60 9.7 seconds top speed 119mph but only 43.5mpg. Ian Orange 03 Senso Quote
CE08LDB Posted July 7, 2005 Posted July 7, 2005 Can anyone else edit your posts. Some1 has put Rubbish by Renault (Rubbish) in my last message and I can't get rid of it. Quote
Igloo_Vindaloo Posted July 7, 2005 Posted July 7, 2005 [quote] Can anyone else edit your posts. Some1 has put Rubbish by Renault (Rubbish) (Rubbish) in my last message and I can't get rid of it.[/quote] That's so funny :lol: Looks like it happens automatically when you type Renault (Rubbish). Let's try a few typos: Renualt Rennault Renno They get through OK, so all you have to do is deliberately mispell it (unless you think they are rubbish!) Quote
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