BDonati Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 Hello I would like to change the oil in my auto transmission. I called the Citroen dealer, and they said to use this. http://catalog.lubricants.total.com/en/products/0dd/FLUIDE-AT-42 Is that correct, or should it be this? http://www4.total.fr/asia-oceania/malaysia/ProductData/B2C/Gear%20&%20Transmission%20Oil/Fluidmatic%20MV/TDS%20TOTAL%20FLUIDMATIC%20MV_1208-product%20spec.pdf Quote
paul.h Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 You need to check with the dealer using your VIN for the correct oil. It has this in the Citroen service box procedures:CAUTION : The oil type "AW-1" in AT6 and AM6 gearboxes with engine version Euro 5 is specific and cannot be replaced with oil type JWS 3309.Dry gearbox oil capacity : 7 litres (approx.).Type of oil (Red) :EURO 5 engine : AW-1 oilEURO 4 engine : JWS 3309 ESSO oilVolume of oil remaining after draining : 4 litres (approx.).Quantity of oil to be replaced : 3 litres (approx.).Refit the filler plug (3) (equipped with a new seal).Initialise the used oil counter (follow the diagnostic tool procedure). Quote
BDonati Posted June 9, 2017 Author Posted June 9, 2017 Tsk tsk... I called Citroen again. They also got the vin last time. This time they spent 20min with me on hold to find out that because my car is euro 5 it needs to be 3309 😮And they wanted 30£ per liter 😮😮. I got some Liqui Moly ATF Top Tec 1800 elsewhere. It says "Aisin Warner AW-1" on the bottle 👠Quote
BDonati Posted June 9, 2017 Author Posted June 9, 2017 I have now changed the oil. I followed a step by step i found in a Peugeot forum, but cant seem to find now. I also followed this video. First i drained the oil, approx 2,5 liters. Then i filled in 3 liters of new oil, and went for a short drive, on this short drive, i felt that the transmission was better than before. Than i drained the oil again, and this time i filled in 4 liters of new oil (because that was the amount i had, i figured it would not damage the transmission, and maybe more new oil would be mixed with the old. Than i whent for a drive, and the shifts where noticably harder. I than drained the excess oil from the small drain screw, and put everything back together. I then tried to use lexia to reset the oil wear counter, but i could not figure it out. When i pressed the read button it showed 109110. Does that mean that the oil was las changed at 109110km ago? that the car had done 109110Km when it was changed? When i pressed the write button I had to put in a value. I tried 0, as in changed 0km ago, and then i tried 158000 as in changed at 158000Km. It would not accept either? What to do. When i first opened the smal drain screw approx 0,25 to 0,5 liters drained out. So when i as the last step in the oil change open this screw, will that not mean that now there is 0,25 to 0,5 liters of oil less in the transmission then before i changed the oil? It seemed like the shifts where smoother on the drive after the first oil change where there was approx 0,5 liters more than when i started? It drives ok now. But... Shift from 1 to 2 is smooth as butter2 to 3 is ok3 to 4 is maybe a bit less smooth4 to 5 is a little hard at times, it even gives a small judder in the car. When it changes to 6, it is ok, but when I drive with little enough throttle that it changes to 6 at around 70km/h with allmost no throttle it makes a slight whineing sound, if i give more throttle or just go more than 80km/h the whine dissapears comepletly. Any idea what causes this? Sorry about the long messy post. any answers are apreciated :-) Quote
paul.h Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 I have never had an auto gearbox so I am not sure what noises they make, was the whine there before you changed the oil ? On my manual gearboxes a whine that varied with speed has been due to bearing wear but if not bad could be due to the gears being noisy rather than wear. If you have the hydractive suspension then there is this warning in the procedures to possibly avoid the lds tank splitting: CAUTION : If raising the vehicle on a lift, wheels hanging, remove the cap of the LDS fluid reservoir. Refit the cap of the LDS fluid reservoir, once you have lowered the vehicle (According to equipment). This is part of the oil change procedure from the Citroen service box for the AM6 AUTO GBOX NORM EURO5 OR Auto gearbox AM6 4. Check the oil level Prior conditions : Vehicle level Check that the gearbox is not in downgrade mode Remove the filler plug (3) Add 0,5 additional litres of oil in the gearbox Apply the brakes firmly and move the lever through the various selector positions Gear lever in position "P" Engine running at idle Oil temperature 60°C (+ 8 ; - 2 °C) (measuring of parameters using a diagnostic tool) Remove the oil level plug (2). 4.1. Stream of oil then reducing to a sequence of drips Refit the oil level plug (2). 4.2. Sequence of drips or nothing Refit the oil level plug (2). Stop the engine. Add 0,5 additional litres of oil in the gearbox. Repeat the top-up procedure. N.B. : The level of oil is correct when the stream of oil becomes drop by drop. Refit the oil level plug (2) (equipped with a new seal). 4.3. Check the oil level (continued) Refit : The filler cap (3) (equipped with a new seal) The air filter box The protective panel under the engine Too high a fluid level can cause : Overheating of the fluid Fluid leaks Too low a level will lead to destruction of the gearbox. Quote
paul.h Posted June 9, 2017 Posted June 9, 2017 This is the initilisation procedure for the gearbox: N.B. : For all these operations, follow the procedure in the diagnostic tool.1. Replacing the automatic gearbox without replacing the ECUPerform the following operations :Initialisation of the neutral position of the gear selection lever position sensorAdaptation programming procedure of the oil pressure solenoid valves and regulatorsInitialising the autoadaptivesReset to zero of the oil usage counter2. Replacement of the automatic gearbox ECUPerform the following operations :Read the value of the gearbox oil usage counter from the old ECUWrite the oil usage counter value into the new ECUInitialisation of the neutral position of the gear selection lever position sensorAdaptation programming procedure of the oil pressure solenoid valves and regulatorsInitialising the autoadaptives3. Replacing the automatic gearbox and the automatic gearbox ECUPerform the following operations :Initialising the autoadaptivesReset to zero of the oil usage counterAdaptation programming procedure of the oil pressure solenoid valves and regulators4. Draining the automatic gearbox oilPerform the following operations :Adaptation programming procedure of the oil pressure solenoid valves and regulatorsReset to zero of the oil usage counterN.B. : For downloading of the automatic gearbox ECU, there is no specific operation ; Follow the diagnostic equipment procedure.CAUTION : For a certain period, a quality of gear change can be obtained which is more or less satisfactory (adaptation of ECU parameters to the gearbox). To obtain satisfactory gear changing quality, it is necessary to carry out a road test involving frequent gear changes (Auto-adaptive laws). Quote
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