Lordbil1979 Posted June 24, 2017 Posted June 24, 2017 Hello I need help with swirl valve.I read all posts around but don't find solution in my case.My swirl valve it's not working staying in open position as engine running idle.When going over 2000rpm valve it's going to close position opposite way.I think my problem is with electro valve (valve fitted to block of engine) which going straight to swirl. I have to say i have another c5 2.2 hdi which works brilliant and I check all electro valves swapping them to working c5, and all of them working fine.So I check pressure on electro valve fitted on block and I have over 0,6 going in the valve but I read 0 on out going to swirl, so it's seams as valve stay open all the time but that valve works fine in other c5, I check plug but Its show as it's have electric signal there.Do my ecu not allowed valve close at idle and why? Sorry for my English. Quote
paul.h Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 Welcome to the forum. Is the diaphragm actuator that connects to the swirl valve arm in good condition and not leaking, also the vacuum pipes to it and other actuators ? Quote
Lordbil1979 Posted June 25, 2017 Author Posted June 25, 2017 Hi, yes diaphragm actuator it's in good condition no leaking as when I connected one of pipes with 0,6 pressure avoiding electro valve it's moving to close position.I check all visible pipes and replace 2 so I don't see any split pipes and all electro valves seams working as swap them to other c5 and they working fine. Quote
paul.h Posted June 25, 2017 Posted June 25, 2017 The diaphragm actuator should work under a vacuum and not pressure, what happens when the vacuum is applied, does it move the right way ? Is it possible the swirl valve arm is on 180 degrees out so it moves the wrong way ? The vacuum is from the vacuum pump on the cylinder head and also supplies the brake servo so are you having any problems with the brakes needing more pedal pressure. Quote
Lordbil1979 Posted June 26, 2017 Author Posted June 26, 2017 Sorry for my mistake I have 0,6 vaccum on top of valve this is the valve http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401131281815When I connect top of valve direct to swirl its moving to correct position towards windscreen so I don't think it's 180 degrees wrong way .Its not as fast as my other c5 swirl, lets say it's take approx 1sec to move arm full way back,But my problem is I don't have vaccum in lower pipe of that valve,I think my brakes works fine but i have error on lexia - Brake light switch.There it's way more errors as steering wheel angle sensor and more but car it's not in limp mode. Quote
paul.h Posted June 26, 2017 Posted June 26, 2017 Is the car running ok ? The steering angle sensor could mean it needs calibrating, especially if you have had the tracking adjusted and it was not done equally across both sides. Or it could be a sensor fault but I think these are built in to the switch unit under the steering wheel so could need a complete unit. Quote
Lordbil1979 Posted June 26, 2017 Author Posted June 26, 2017 I Have only drive 250 miles mostly motorway when pick up a car when buying over a week ego, it's difficult to compare to mine other tuned c5 approx 165hp as I forgotten how fast or sluggish was before, but on motorway was accelerating fine up to approx 70mph but over and up to hills it's flet loosing a bit of power, I think at that speed my swirls not working properly it was closing them instead open so engine probably was choking? Quote
paul.h Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 I guess then the car had these faults when you bought it, did the seller say anything about the faults ? I had a 2004 C5 with the 2.2 hdi 136 hp engine and the plastic cup on the diaphragm actuator arm broke off. I did not notice for some time but found that it was not accelerating as quickly but the fuel economy improved. May be you could disconnect the actuator arm from the diaphragm rod at the plastic cup and use some wire to hold the swirl valves in the open and closed positions and see how the performance compares. If you have the service history other things to check if the power is down are if the fuel filter has been replaced recently, if the air filter has been replaced, if the exhaust particulate filter (dpf) has been replaced/cleaned. You could also have a diagnostic check at a Citroen dealer to see if everything is working as it should. Quote
mechcanico lee Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 Just confirming what you are saying ...... When the engine is at idle the swirl is over one way , when you Rev car over 2000 rpm the swirl moves the other way ? Quote
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