Welshguy Posted December 11, 2006 Posted December 11, 2006 Report: Xenon Conversion Kit Fitting Time: 2 HoursTools: Couple of Screwdrivers and a Drill, nothing more.Difficulty: Relatively painless, although having small hands & fingers is a bonus Overview: The kits arrived Wednesday morning, and my brother wasted no time in fitting his conversion kit to his Seat Ibiza, with impressive results – unfortunately due to the winter darkness my conversion was left to the Thursday morning. Arrived at the parent’s house Thursday morning, and after a quick cup of tea my brother got underway. I have got to give him credit here – I had 3 or 4 layers on and was still freezing, while he worked away with just a jumper and no gloves! The car port gave us a little bit of protection against the rain, but I recommend not doing this job in bad weather! Below is a picture of my lights as standard: http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/streettech/DSC02777.jpg First thing was to inspect the kit – I was impressed with the quality – everything that was required to fit the kit was included, and all parts were solid and well built. All connections had waterproofing as well, although we were aiming to fit the kit in an area where water could not reach it. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/streettech/DSC02778.jpg It was decided the front bumper needed to be removed, along with the lights, in order to fit the ballasts and install the bulbs easily. This turned out to be a good decision – this would not have been an easy job if the lights had not been removed. The front bumper is “held” onto the car by literally a few popclips and one or two screws. A quick look under the bumper was all that was needed to find the popclips – these came away easily with a little force. The screws were slightly more difficult, as they are hidden away behind the front of each wheel arch. With some force the arch will bend, allowing access to each screw. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/streettech/DSC02771.jpghttp://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/streettech/DSC02772.jpg The bumper was then removed, and the lights could be inspected. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/streettech/DSC02773.jpg There are 2 or 3 screws holding each light cluster onto the car – each screw is easily visible, and once removed, the lights were removed. No problems here, although it’s a good idea to have somebody hold the lights while the screws are being removed, as they could fall out of their holes and break/scratch. The wires into the lights are simply unclipped – a flat head screwdriver comes in handy here. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/streettech/DSC02774.jpghttp://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/streettech/DSC02802.jpg Once the front bumper and lights were removed, it was onto the bulbs… http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/streettech/DSC02791.jpghttp://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/streettech/DSC02789.jpg The light clusters were inspected, and an annoying feature found. The bulb holders are recessed quite a bit into the cluster, and the “access” point is a round hole that is slightly offset to the holders – this makes it quite fidderly to remove and replace the bulb correctly, particularly if you’ve got large fingers! http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/streettech/DSC02792.jpg Quote
Welshguy Posted December 11, 2006 Author Posted December 11, 2006 The waterproof casing was removed, and the bulb holder clip was moved to one side. The old bulb was simply pulled out between finger and thumb, and placed to one side. The new bulb was then placed into the holder, and the holding clip moved back into place. This was quite fidderly, and took several attempts. The clip had a tendency to fall out of place, and needed to be moved past the new thicker wires of the new bulbs. A hole then needed to be cut in the waterproof casing to allow the wires to pass through. A hole slightly bigger than a 10p piece was cut, and the casing was slid over the wires into place. The kit comes with a “seal” on the wires that plugs the hole (allowing the wires through at the same time) and makes for a neat look, along with ensuring no water can enter the light casings. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/streettech/DSC02793.jpghttp://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/streettech/DSC02794.jpghttp://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/streettech/DSC02795.jpg Once both bulbs were installed, it was onto installing the ballasts needed for the initial surge of electricity required to power up the lights. One ballast was provided for each bulb, along with a mounting bracket, and sticky backed foam pads to go between the bracket and ballast to ensure no rattling takes place. The idea location for the ballasts was decided as the front chassis, and the brackets were lined up and holes drilled. I was impressed with the strength and thickness of the metal – it took a bit of muscle and two drill bits to get the holes that were required. The brackets had the foam pads attached, and the ballasts fitted, and then were screwed into position. The brackets come with three attaching points, so they were very securely fitted. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/streettech/DSC02802.jpghttp://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/streettech/DSC02801.jpghttp://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/streettech/DSC02799.jpg Once each ballast was fitted, it was time to plug the lights back in. A small problem encountered here was that the kit provided had red colour plugs for both positive and negative connections, and thus a multimetre was required to figure which was which. The new bulb connections were plugged into the ballasts, which were plugged into the standard connections, and the screws replaced in the lights. The front bumper was then re-installed, although this was slightly fidderly, and definitely a job for two people. The result? http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/streettech/DSC02829.jpghttp://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/streettech/DSC02830.jpghttp://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/streettech/DSC02831.jpg Overall I was extremely impressed with the lights, and no problems have been encountered after installation. The “Guide me Home” function still works perfectly, and the lights power up in milliseconds. They start off with a blue tint, but gradually get whiter as they warm up. Visibility is excellent, and I have noticed people love to stare at the lights now! A short video has been included – see below! http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/streettech/th_MOV02827.jpg Quote
Ciaran2903 Posted December 11, 2006 Posted December 11, 2006 SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :o I WANT!! :) That is very very nice! :D Quote
Mike5483 Posted December 11, 2006 Posted December 11, 2006 Looks highly impressive!!! You just need to sort the side lights now, dey yellow man!!! On a side note, this is just for the dipped headlamps isnt it, not full beam??? Maybe Wozza can sticky these, otherwise they are gonna get seperated. Quote
wozza Posted December 11, 2006 Posted December 11, 2006 Merged them into one topic so I can sticky it more easily. Looks good though mate. Quote
Welshguy Posted December 12, 2006 Author Posted December 12, 2006 @ Mike Agreed RE: the sidelights - I believe I need '501' sidelight bulbs...will be getting white/blue bulbs for Christmas.. @ Wozza Cheers for the sticky! On a side note, my brother is looking into buying these in bulk and selling them on...please let me know if your interested in a pair and I will see what price I could sort for you! Quote
Ciaran2903 Posted December 12, 2006 Posted December 12, 2006 I would be very interested in the kit, but not sure i have the confidence to fit it! <_< Quote
CoolCarbon Posted December 13, 2006 Posted December 13, 2006 I would be interested...fitted a kit to my BMW Bike a couple of years ago...Brilliant, in every sense of the word.. :lol: Quote
Mike5483 Posted December 13, 2006 Posted December 13, 2006 @ Mike Agreed RE: the sidelights - I believe I need '501' sidelight bulbs...will be getting white/blue bulbs for Christmas.. They are W5W's for the Side lamp bulb Quote
cyberandy Posted December 13, 2006 Posted December 13, 2006 great job on the lights thats going to be my next project. it would be easier to do the side lights the same time. how much and where from. I'll see if santa will bring me a set. Quote
Sveta Posted March 16, 2008 Posted March 16, 2008 @ Mike Agreed RE: the sidelights - I believe I need '501' sidelight bulbs...will be getting white/blue bulbs for Christmas.. @ Wozza Cheers for the sticky! On a side note, my brother is looking into buying these in bulk and selling them on...please let me know if your interested in a pair and I will see what price I could sort for you! Hallo, My English is not so good,sorry about that!!!My name is Sveta and I'm from Serbia,but I live in Antwerp-Belgium!!!I have Xsara Picasso from 2000year and 108000km.Three days ago I was buy HID KIT H4 4300k via ebay from China,and I pay 9£ for HID KIT and 36£ for shipping,in total 45£.Now I'm thinking can I install by my self,in other way I need to pay to mechanic same price like I pay HID KIT. :D If somebody have script for installing,it will be great to post it,PLEASE!!!I have one more question,do you have problem with POLICE or when you are going on TECHNICAL CONTROL? Thank you,Sveta Quote
Sveta Posted March 16, 2008 Posted March 16, 2008 @ Mike Agreed RE: the sidelights - I believe I need '501' sidelight bulbs...will be getting white/blue bulbs for Christmas.. @ Wozza Cheers for the sticky! On a side note, my brother is looking into buying these in bulk and selling them on...please let me know if your interested in a pair and I will see what price I could sort for you! Hallo, My English is not so good,sorry about that!!!My name is Sveta and I'm from Serbia,but I live in Antwerp-Belgium!!!I have Xsara Picasso from 2000year and 108000km.Three days ago I was buy HID KIT H4 4300k via ebay from China,and I pay 9£ for HID KIT and 36£ for shipping,in total 45£.Now I'm thinking can I install by my self,in other way I need to pay to mechanic same price like I pay HID KIT. :D If somebody have script for installing,it will be great to post it,PLEASE!!!I have one more question,do you have problem with POLICE or when you are going on TECHNICAL CONTROL? Thank you,Sveta Quote
BigJohnD Posted March 18, 2008 Posted March 18, 2008 The light clusters were inspected, and an annoying feature found. The bulb holders are recessed quite a bit into the cluster, and the “access” point is a round hole that is slightly offset to the holders – this makes it quite fidderly to remove and replace the bulb correctly, particularly if you’ve got large fingers!And that's with the whole headlight assembly out of the car! Quote
Johndouglas Posted March 21, 2008 Posted March 21, 2008 What happens at MOT time about retro fitted Xenons? I thought a car fitted with them also had to have self-levelling and washers fitted. Quote
BigJohnD Posted March 26, 2008 Posted March 26, 2008 What happens at MOT time about retro fitted Xenons? I thought a car fitted with them also had to have self-levelling and washers fitted.In word, yes. (HID = High Intensity Discharge, commonly known as Xenon, headlights.) From the Dept for Transport, December 2006 http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlampsA HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should: 1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component. 2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place). 3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned. In practice this means: 1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory. 2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam. 3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp. Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal. In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.Also, watch this video from Autoexpress: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/videos/featur...xenon_test.html Edmund King - RAC Foundation Executive Director: Motorists out there who think they are buying Sportier, Rallying, Safer Bulbs............. ........the reality is, they could be dazzling, bringing danger and, indeed, death to our roadsSo while you can easily fit an after market kit, you're not getting the best from them by fitting them in reflectors designed for halogen and you could easily dazzle on-coming drivers; they need to be self-cleaning and self levelling. There is no guarantee they will satisfy the MOT examiner and they could run foul of type approval regs. Quote
BigJohnD Posted March 26, 2008 Posted March 26, 2008 What happens at MOT time about retro fitted Xenons? I thought a car fitted with them also had to have self-levelling and washers fitted.In word, yes. (HID = High Intensity Discharge, commonly known as Xenon, headlights.) From the Dept for Transport, December 2006 http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlampsA HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should: 1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component. 2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place). 3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned. In practice this means: 1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory. 2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam. 3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp. Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal. In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.Also, watch this video from Autoexpress: http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/videos/featur...xenon_test.html Edmund King - RAC Foundation Executive Director: Motorists out there who think they are buying Sportier, Rallying, Safer Bulbs............. ........the reality is, they could be dazzling, bringing danger and, indeed, death to our roadsSo while you can easily fit an after market kit, you're not getting the best from them by fitting them in reflectors designed for halogen and you could easily dazzle on-coming drivers; they need to be self-cleaning and self levelling. There is no guarantee they will satisfy the MOT examiner and they could run foul of type approval regs. Quote
Johndouglas Posted March 26, 2008 Posted March 26, 2008 There is no guarantee they will satisfy the MOT examiner That's what I thought! IMHO, not worth the risk to end up with a failure notice. Quote
john h Posted June 20, 2014 Posted June 20, 2014 Very enlightening, definitely giving them a miss, if you are desperate for blue tinged light there are plenty halogens from big name companies which 'allegedly' increase the beam range, something I did not find when I tried a set from Ring Quote
Johndouglas Posted June 20, 2014 Posted June 20, 2014 Since this topic opened in 2008 a lot of water has gone under the bridge. New testing rules for Xenon lights have been added to the MOT in recent years. Kits such as those shown will not pass an MOT unless the lamps are self-levelling and have their own washer system for each lamp. Quote
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