C5 Starter Motor Id

[BarryK]

I'm having some problems trying to get a recon starter motor for my HD1 auto can anyone point me towards any website that'll give me the Citroen part number - all relevant details are below:

 

Citroen C5 2003 (reg RA03 DFY)

2.2 HDi SALOON 5dr Automatic

 

The motor I have is obviously a re-con and is stamped on the steel motor housing with the following:

 

Lucas 40245181

DD 3457

673079

000118183

 

Stamped radially on the alloy end plate (pinion end) with the following:

 

Bosch

25286

1005831048

 

Pinion has 10 teeth.

 

Thanks and regards to all

Barry

[coastline taxis]

any motor parts suplier/discount store or europarts should be able to get you one. or just get yours reconed again. if your near the north east we can give you the number of a fella we use

[paul.h]

Using your car reg on the eurocarparts website includes the Lucas one at £160 (+ £72 exchange refund) with the serial number you have quoted. You can use the service.citroen.com website to see the dealer parts diagrams if you register (allowed as a member of a car club according to the terms and conditions).

[BarryK]

Thanks to all for the info above, however I think that the motor I have is not the correct one for the HDi 2.2 - I really need the Citroen part number.

 

I'm sure that the quote obtained from eurocarparts is the correct motor - however I'm not prepared to pay £160 + £72 when I can get an apparently identical motor from other suppliers at less than 1/3rd of that price - problem is that all these sellers need the Citroen part number to be sure I have the right motor - I don't think the car is worth much more £200 at the moment.........

 

 

 

The 'service.citroen.com' looks to be the answer - however when I try to access that site, it come up with am error message 'javascript needs to be enabled', even though I have javascript enabled in my browser (Firefox)

 

Coastline - I'm in Essex but maybe your supplier would be willing to post?

 

Thanks again

Barry

[coastline taxis]

Im confused a bit help me out here.

 

does your starter work or does it need reconing and what makes you think you have the wrong starter. what are the symptoms

[paul.h]

I use the Citroen service site on Internet explorer and have no problems.

 

To get the correct Citroen part no. for your car the VIN needs to be put in but there are about 10 different ones listed without the VIN. Our last C5 2.2 hdi VTR 2004 is shown to use a Class 6 Denso MS428000-1620 or Valeo (Demarr) D8R27 with Citroen part no. 5802 Z5 for a new one or EF for an exchange one. 5802 is the same on all the different starters but the letters are different. Demarr may be short for French demarreur - starter motor.

 

The eurocarparts different ones have different power, showing your Lucas at 2.3kW and the other cheaper ones at 1.7kW (from memory so may be wrong) which makes sense for the 2.2 hdi. The Citroen site also shows the parts that make up the starter so presumably you can get these from your dealer if you wish to refurbish it - but this assumes the one you have is still as the original since there are no Lucas ones listed, only Bosch, Mitsubishi, Valeo, Paris-Rhone.

 

An internet search on Valeo d8r27 came up with stock automotive site which shows this to be a 1.9 kw one and gives cross references. The 2.3 kw one is a Valeo d8r29.

[BarryK]

Paul H - I managed to get on the Citroen site and download an exploded dwg of my starter (which is Bosch 0 001 108 183) but could not identify a Citroen part no, which I believe is a 6 figure number, i.e either 1234.56 or just the straight number with no decimal point)

 

Coastline - you're confused, I'm not surprised - after 3 days of plodding around the internet I'm totally confused. :)

 

There are loads of these starter motors (Bosch 0 001 108 183) out there but all the suppliers say they are for Berlingos/Partners etc.

 

This starter has been on the car since I bought it and hasn't worked properly from the begining, I suspect the previous owner just bunged it on without checking - anyway, the starter pinion is not fully engaging in the flywheel ring, when I removed the motor you can see that its only engaging about 7mm - you can see distinct wear on the pinion and the flywheel ring - it is now such that it will not turn the engine properly and kicks out after less than 1 rotation.

 

It may be that I can put a spacer under the pinion to get better engagement but would rather have the correct starter motor............

 

 

addendum: Just been back to the Citroen site and inserted Vin number - it now come up with a pageful of suitable numbers

 

see here: http://service.citroen.com/docapv/recherche.do

 

I now have 25 motors to choose from including the previously mentioned Bosch, but still no Citroen part numbers........... :blink:

 

 

Aha - think I may have cracked it, at the top of the exploded parts diagram is the number 0600 02 5332 74K - am I right in assuming that the relevant part number is 5332 ?

[paul.h]

The long number you have given is just a page or diagram number. The Citroen part number is, for example for the solenoid, 5836 80 in the diagram I think you are referring to. Note the Citroen part numbers are not the same as a manufacturer's number such as Bosch 0 001 108 183 and only tend to appear on any packaging and dealer receipts. Also this Bosch no. seems to be for petrol engines and is not listed under the diesel ones. If you go back to the page with the engine block, and click on the other starting general picture of the starter, this will give you the starter for your car (could be diagram 0600 02 5330 50A) and should be Citroen part number 5802 xx, where xx are the letters. If you do a search for a part to see what other cars use it, omit the space. Once you have the correct starter for your car such as Valeo D9R99, try an internet search to get the details/dimensions from such as the stock automotive site.

 

For info, on the Citroen parts table, the first column is the part on the diagram, the second column the Citroen part number, the third column the quantity of these parts (eg 3 bolts), the last column a description of the part. After a few goes you will get used to the Citroen service site and find it useful. To print a page, I find a right mouse click, print preview and then printing works best, sometimes the diagram may need zooming to get it to fit before the print preview.

 

Out of interest, how many miles has the car done. I was going to ask if the flywheel had been changed but realised it is an auto so may not be relevant.

 

There is a website for RML Rotating Machines Ltd which looks as if you register, you can put in your car reg and it will give you the starter for your car. I have not tried it so do not know how good it is. They can also be contacted so should be able to help

 

To contact us via post, fax, or telephone.

 

Rotating Machines Ltd

196 bancroft road

London E1 4ET

United Kingdom.

Tel: +44 (0) 207 780 1927

Fax: +44 (0) 207 780 1928

[coastline taxis]

the cog on most starters dont fully engage onto the ringear. youl always have a dull bit on the bottom. sounds more and moer like its the ring gear at fault

[BarryK]

I managed to find a drawing of the offending starter, stripped it down and found that the brushes were almost worn out - also the saddle that engages the starter pinion had one of the pivot pins broken That's why it wasn't engaging properly.

 

I could have got spares from Citroen to repair it but decided to purchase a nice new motor so problems now sorted.

 

Thanks to all for the advice given over the last couple of weeks.