1.6Hdi Vtr - Underpowered, Dpf A Problem?

[lrochfort]

Hello Ladies and Gents,

 

I'm looking at a couple of C5s for sale and I'm choosing between the Mark 1 2.0HDi estate and the facelift 1.6HDi VTR.

 

The 2.0 is at 92,000 with FSH. The 1.6 is at 123,000 with FSH up to 117,000.

 

Now, I had that engine in a Ford Focus and got hit with the DPF fluid topup (which I did myself) and then having to get Ford to clear the management computer codes because my OBDII reader wouldn't do it.

 

I'm also lead to believe there's no DPF on the 2.0HDi in the Mark 1?

 

I would prefer the newer, safer car, but I am concerned about:

 

1) Whether the 1.6 in the C5 is strong enough to pull the car.

2) If I'm in for hassle and expense with the DPF on the 1.6.

 

Thanks all!

 

Regards,

Laurence.

Edited February 2, 2015 by lrochfort

[Porsche430]

I'm fairly sure the C5 MK1 2.0HDi dose have a DPF and if it was my choice it's the one I would buy. Big engines in big C5's are usually pretty special to drive.

 

DPF shouldn't really be a problem if the vehicle is driven as a diesel should be, or at least a good kicking up and down a motorway every now and then should see them straight.

[paul.h]

The 2001 to 2004 2.0 hdi does not have a dpf, only the 2.2 hdi of this model year.

 

The facelift 2004 to 2008 C5 diesels all have a dpf as does the 2008 on model.

 

Beware of calling the C5 mark 1 or 2 or 3 since depending on who you talk to the mark 1 may be 2001 to 2004 or 2001 to 2008 so that the 2008 on model may be called mark 2 or mark 3. It is best to always include the model years.

 

The 1.6 hdi at 123k miles may be coming up to its second dfp servicing - eolys top up every 75k miles and dpf clean/replacement every 87500 miles. Its timing belt is 10 years or 150k miles if sooner but if not already done it should be one of the first jobs to do. The earlier 2.0 hdi timing belt should already have been done since more than 10 years old.

 

The 1.6 hdi is 110 bhp, the same as the 2001 to 2004 2.0 hdi and the 2004 to 2008 1.6 hdi car has similar kerb weight to the 2001 to 2004 2.0 hdi and performance data mpg/mph/acceleration/power and torque at rpms are all similar in the brochures so you could say it is not underpowered. The 1.6 hdi has better urban fuel economy which gives it the lower overall emissions .

 

However, the 1.6 hdi it is prone to turbo failures at low mileages, especially if it does not have frequent oil/filter changes using the correct oil. If you buy one of these cars you need to check its service history since if the turbo goes you could be faced with possibly needing a new engine or even just a turbo will be many £100. This engine also has more frequent services so it may not necessarily be any cheaper to run. If you can it may be best to avoid the 1.6 hdi - it also has a reputation for failure on other makes of car, not just Citroens.

[Johndouglas]

I'm looking at a couple of C5s for sale and I'm choosing between the Mark 1 2.0HDi estate and the facelift 1.6HDi VTR.

My choice would be the 2.0ltr car. The 1.6 doesn't have a good reputation in C5's. The early 2ltr engine cars are popular because they don't have a particle filter and the problems associated with them.

[lrochfort]

Thank you everybody for the comprehensive answers. I'll keep my eyes open for 2.0 diesel.