Please Help Finding What Engine And Intake Is This

[Nervoptik]

Hi everyone.

I`ve bought a C3 Pluriel last week and changed sparkplugs, oil and filters.

I do belive that the engine and inlet manifold were changed.

 

1st thing i`ve noticed is that the oil filter is not a paper cartridge one, but metal one, so I`ve put a Saxo one. Also i had to loose the exhaust manifold and pull it forward to change the filter as it`s touching the cat housing as you can see in pictures.

I`ve looked to see if the oil filter housing had been removed, but there are no threaded holes in the engine to mount a filter housing.

 

2nd thing is the inlet manifold, which at the begining I`ve tought that was cracked and glued, but it`s now obvious that was hand crafted and the shape was changed to fit the genuine`s car throttle body.

 

Yeah, i know ... I`m a retard because i didn`t pay attention when I bought it, but the car runs fine and it felt ok in road test. It`s still working fine, but it bothers me big time.

 

Does anyone know what model is this engine comming from? Also what inlet manifold is that?

 

Another thing ... Anyone knows where engine serial number is?

 

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Thank you.

[Nervoptik]

L.E.

Forgot to mention that is a C3 Pluriel 2003. 1.4 ohc

[paul.h]

welcome to the forum.

 

The engine could be from a 1.4 petrol Saxo, these had a metal oil filter up to RPO 08575 and the intake manifold in the parts diagrams looks similar to yours. As an example for Citroen part 0342G3 http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Genuine-Peugeot-Inlet-Manifold-Petrol-106-206-0342G3-/272377018201?hash=item3f6aef7759:g:UNoAAOSwLnBX2jeM&vxp=mtr It looks as if the manifold has been bodged though to fit the existing throttle body.

 

You can see the Citroen parts diagrams if you register on the Citroen service site as an other professional non emergency services and as a member of the Citroen Owners Club http://service.citroen.com/pages/index.jsp If it is a Saxo engine it may be worth getting a Haynes manual that covers the Saxo as well as the one that covers the C3.

[Nervoptik]

welcome to the forum.

 

The engine could be from a 1.4 petrol Saxo, these had a metal oil filter up to RPO 08575 and the intake manifold in the parts diagrams looks similar to yours. As an example for Citroen part 0342G3 http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Genuine-Peugeot-Inlet-Manifold-Petrol-106-206-0342G3-/272377018201?hash=item3f6aef7759:g:UNoAAOSwLnBX2jeM&vxp=mtr It looks as if the manifold has been bodged though to fit the existing throttle body.

 

You can see the Citroen parts diagrams if you register on the Citroen service site as an other professional non emergency services and as a member of the Citroen Owners Club http://service.citroen.com/pages/index.jsp If it is a Saxo engine it may be worth getting a Haynes manual that covers the Saxo as well as the one that covers the C3.

Thank you Paul.

Indeed it looks like an 1.4 Saxo engine. In the meantime I`ve ordered a kfv inlet manifold which won`t fit as the Saxo head has a bigger space between 2nd and 3rd inlet ports. On C3 thhis space is mach more small.

What do you suggest? Should I buy a C3 engine or should i let this one on?

I`m not so shure about fuel echonomy. Ecu shows on dash 30mpg in city, but i belive the tank sender and remaining miles drops down much quicker. It feels like there is a discrepancy between mpg and remaining miles. Or maybe i`m not used with a 40 liters tank, as the other car has 75 and about the same pmg in city.

I found a C3 kfv engine on ebay for about 170 pound...

Can anyone tell me what`s the average mpg in city?

 

Thank you everyone.

Edited April 21, 2017 by Nervoptik

[paul.h]

I would keep the car as it is for now and see how it goes, no need to waste money if you find you are happy with the car as it is.

 

We had a 1.4 petrol 2003 C3 and that would give about 40 to 45 mpg and about 50 mpg on a long run but if just used in town it would probably be less. To check the fuel use it is better to fill the tank, do a few hundred miles and then fill it up again to see how much was used. The trip computer usually on Citroens has different screens - 1 shows average mpg since it was last reset (do this by holding in the button on the end of the wiper stalk), 1 shows miles since last reset, 1 shows instantaneous mpg and 1 shows miles remaining on the fuel left at the instantaneous mpg so it will vary quite a bit depending on how the car is being driven at the time. If you have the car handbook it may give you the official mpg but in a 2006 Citroen brochure for the C3 1.4 75 hp  petrol engine it gives 34.4 / 57.5 / 46.3 mpg urban / extra urban / combined.

[Nervoptik]

Thank you Paul.

I`ll try as you said and keep you posted.

Many thanks!

[Nervoptik]

There is actually a thing that bothers me more ... The cat housing is touching the oil filter, basically squashing it about 1cm in one corner. There should be around 4-500°C. Is it ok? I mean, the oil in filter will probably have the consistency of water.

Is it a good idea to have a second exhaust manifold (without cat) from a saxo to swap it? And put the cat one just for mot?

Cheers.

Edited April 22, 2017 by Nervoptik

[paul.h]

The catalyst on a Saxo is under the front of the car and not in the down pipe as on the Pluriel. If you wanted to change the manifold to a Saxo one you would also need the Saxo exhaust since your existing one would not connect up, or you would need a special to be made. All this would not be cheap. No wonder the previous owner did not do the job properly, maybe the Saxo engine was a very low cost compared to getting the correct one from a C3/Pluriel. Maybe you could contact the previous owner and ask why the engine was changed and a different one put in ?

 

If you were to remove the catalyst then the car would not be up to MOT standards which would invalidate your insurance. This could be a problem if you need to make a claim.

 

Something to check and that is the oil needed, the Saxo may use a 10w40 oil whereas our C3 used a 5w30 oil.

 

For the oil temperature, you could use a temperature gun to see if the oil is being overheated and this may remove any concerns you have. As an example https://www.tool-net.co.uk/p-347128/clarke-irt-1.html?gclid=CPrvl8P1t9MCFYwQ0wodiy8EWg

[Routemaster1]

I would have thought that having a Pluriel with a Saxo engine would be sufficient to cause problems with the insurance. After all, one of the first questions will be 'has he car been modified'.

[Nervoptik]

I`ve asked the previews lady owner which had it for 1.5 years and she said she knows nothing about this change ...

Thanks everyone for input.

Cheers

[paul.h]

For the V5C registration document you could see if the engine number corresponds and it also gives the last 2 keepers details, so you could contact the other owner. It makes you think the lady owner may not have had the car serviced since the oil filter would be flagged up by whoever services the car.

 

You can check the MOT history of the car on-line since this may show something that suggests when the engine was changed if the emissions were affected. One possibility to change it would be the timing belt breaking.

 

If you do contact the insurance company, whilst maybe from a Saxo, the engine type is still the same TU3JP with the same power.