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[Guest Pitchfork]

I have had this 56 plate 1.6 HDi Estate for 5 weeks

Last used on Sunday - no problems

Today key in ignition - nothing (no dash lights will not turn over etc)

AA checked battery, all fuses AOK, no different with another battery in parallel but cannot tow it to garage because of the suspension type

Can anyone give any clues to what the problem is?

I'm desperately looking at something that cost quite a lot that I cannot even get to a garage

Thanks

[Guest kimosabe]

I have had this 56 plate 1.6 HDi Estate for 5 weeks

Last used on Sunday - no problems

Today key in ignition - nothing (no dash lights will not turn over etc)

AA checked battery, all fuses AOK, no different with another battery in parallel but cannot tow it to garage because of the suspension type

Can anyone give any clues to what the problem is?

I'm desperately looking at something that cost quite a lot that I cannot even get to a garage

Thanks

 

If your battery is def ok,did you check the earth lead to the car body or earth lead from engine to car body.

Why did the AA not recover your car to a garage with Citroen diagnostics. Sorry if i'm not much help but someone will read your post and maybe help you out.

[Guest Pitchfork]

If your battery is def ok,did you check the earth lead to the car body or earth lead from engine to car body.

Why did the AA not recover your car to a garage with Citroen diagnostics. Sorry if i'm not much help but someone will read your post and maybe help you out.

Earth was checked & OK

They attempted to recover but the truck they sent was too large to get down the lane where I live

[coastline taxis]

Hi have you got power to the hazzards and the interior light and the constant 12 supply between the seats

[Guest Pitchfork]

Yes, everything works except the ability to start it

None of the dashboard lights come on & it will not turnover

I am beginning to suspect the Immobiliser is the cause

[coastline taxis]

Imobiliser would put the ignition on but wouldnt let the engine turn over. maybe check the ignition barrel also did the aa pull the fuse box out and check the maxi fuses which arnt visable from the top of the fuse box as these will stop the ignition coming on. do you have auxilry power when you move the key 1 click. Have you tested the battery as the weather weve had recently would test a good battery

[Guest Pitchfork]

AA pulled out fuse box & tested all fuses & Battery condition (my first thought was that the cold may have killed battery

I do not get anything on the dashboard as well as no ability to turn engine over

Have auxillary power as normal

[coastline taxis]

Possibly a ignition barrel fault?. just a daft 1 can you see the all the wires are on the battery leads. thik youl not find out till its pluged in but please post on hear what the fault was

[Guest Pitchfork]

Finally got it to the local Citroen garage this morning - sorry sir, we cannot look at it until next week, but we'll call you to let you know what th e problem is

When I find out I shall share it with the forum (& also the cost which I anticipate will not be cheap)

[Guest Pitchfork]

To start off Citroen garage could not find a fault "would I like to collect it?" -err but it will not start are you not supposed to be experts in these matters?

Now they call back today & have identified problem as the BSI whoch is the system communications interface

No they don't have one in stock & will have to order it

The cost - that will be £430.19 including labour & VAT - should we proceed?

On the basis that as it stands it's a pile of scrap metal with wheels on it "what do you think I should do" I replied! :D

 

Look out for next instalment assuming they are correct in their diagnosis :wacko:

[paul.h]

Was the car bought from a dealer and hence with a warranty to cover the costs ?

We had something that sounds very similar with our Xsara Picasso and that turned out to be a hidden maxi fuse that had blown but I guess your dealer has checked all of these on your car. No reason found and it never happened again but I kept a spare one in the car after this. The RAC did not find this fuse and towed the car to the dealer.

[Guest Pitchfork]

I have my car back & am £430.19 poorer for the experience of buying the wretched thing

The following was found by my son & may serve to help anyone wanting to buy a used BSI unit to save money:

 

Some facts you need to know before you bid on a Peugeot / Citroen BSI unit from Ebay.

 

These units can only be coded ONCE to the original vehicle it was fitted to at the factory, once an attempt is made at coding a BSI that's it, you don't get a second chance! second hand BSI units are total useless on their own.

 

For a second hand BSI to work you also need the matching transponder immobiliser keys & the engine ecu plus the radio will need to be re coded, a lot of sellers forget to tell you this until after you have bought a used unit of them.

 

The BSI unit also stores the radio & immobiliser security codes inside plus the VIN number, unless everything matches up the engine isn't going to run & the radio will keep beeping, having the wrong VIN number can give problems if the vehicle is ever checked by the Police or if its plugged in at a Peugeot / Citroen dealer as it will download incorrect updates.

 

There are plenty of brand new boxed BSI units to bid on or BBA Reman can also test / repair your original BSI unit with a 2 year warranty as well.

 

If your having problems with a multiplexed Peugeot / Citroen BSI unit then try the following in this order:

 

1) BSI reboot

Put the driver's window down, lift the bonnet and ensure all equipment is switched off.

Ensure all doors are closed and remove key from the ignition.

Wait for 3 minutes, disconnect the vehicle battery and wait 15 seconds.

Reconnect the vehicle battery, wait a further 10 seconds (do not open doors.).

Switch on the side lights through the driver's window.

Switch on the ignition and check system's functionality.

Hold lock button on key down for 10 seconds.

Remove key open & close door test central locking system.

Start the engine and complete the system's check.

Failure to follow this procedure could result in incorrect BSI operation.

 

2) BSI software update, take the vehicle to the local Peugeot / Citroen dealer with ALL the key's & have the BSI software updated.

 

3) Send the BSI to BBA for test / repair.

 

Needing a new BSI unit is a last resort & if you are really unlucky enough to need one just make sure its a brand new one that hasnt already been coded.

 

Be very carefull on what you bid on.

[Guest Pitchfork]

I have my car back & am £430.19 poorer for the experience of buying the wretched thing

The following was found by my son & may serve to help anyone wanting to buy a used BSI unit to save money:

 

Some facts you need to know before you bid on a Peugeot / Citroen BSI unit from Ebay.

 

These units can only be coded ONCE to the original vehicle it was fitted to at the factory, once an attempt is made at coding a BSI that's it, you don't get a second chance! second hand BSI units are total useless on their own.

 

For a second hand BSI to work you also need the matching transponder immobiliser keys & the engine ecu plus the radio will need to be re coded, a lot of sellers forget to tell you this until after you have bought a used unit of them.

 

The BSI unit also stores the radio & immobiliser security codes inside plus the VIN number, unless everything matches up the engine isn't going to run & the radio will keep beeping, having the wrong VIN number can give problems if the vehicle is ever checked by the Police or if its plugged in at a Peugeot / Citroen dealer as it will download incorrect updates.

 

There are plenty of brand new boxed BSI units to bid on or BBA Reman can also test / repair your original BSI unit with a 2 year warranty as well.

 

If your having problems with a multiplexed Peugeot / Citroen BSI unit then try the following in this order:

 

1) BSI reboot

Put the driver's window down, lift the bonnet and ensure all equipment is switched off.

Ensure all doors are closed and remove key from the ignition.

Wait for 3 minutes, disconnect the vehicle battery and wait 15 seconds.

Reconnect the vehicle battery, wait a further 10 seconds (do not open doors.).

Switch on the side lights through the driver's window.

Switch on the ignition and check system's functionality.

Hold lock button on key down for 10 seconds.

Remove key open & close door test central locking system.

Start the engine and complete the system's check.

Failure to follow this procedure could result in incorrect BSI operation.

 

2) BSI software update, take the vehicle to the local Peugeot / Citroen dealer with ALL the key's & have the BSI software updated.

 

3) Send the BSI to BBA for test / repair.

 

Needing a new BSI unit is a last resort & if you are really unlucky enough to need one just make sure its a brand new one that hasnt already been coded.

 

Be very carefull on what you bid on.

I have had a quotation from BBA-Reman for the inspection/repair of the BSI unit:

Testing £35.00

If faulty (which Citroen say it is) & repairable £100

 

Both exclude shipping & VAT

So the total inclusive cost if repairable would be in the order of £190 whereas the new one was £240.53. If the data content had to be erased in order to repair it, would Citroen be prepared to fit it & programme it to the car?- somehow I doubt it