Tucker9037 Posted February 9, 2015 Posted February 9, 2015 Hi there. Can anyone please shed any light on the mentioned issue? I have a 10/2008 c5 tourer and would like to change the clutch and flywheel to a solid conversion kit. Is it possible? Regards Quote
Johndouglas Posted February 9, 2015 Posted February 9, 2015 It probably is - but why do you want to. Clutch changing isn't much more than a once in the lifetime of most privately owned cars and the cost of conversion won't probably be that much different. Then some people hold the opinion that the engine isn't quite so smooth with a solid flywheel. Also there's more chance of gearbox failure and more strain on cambelt. Quote
coastline taxis Posted February 9, 2015 Posted February 9, 2015 europarts flywheels start at 250 up to 350 then the price of the clutch on top. but if its not broke then dont fix it Quote
Tucker9037 Posted February 9, 2015 Author Posted February 9, 2015 Thanks for the replys. There is a shudder in 1st and reverse so I think a new clutch will eliminate that. I have been checking up and Apparently valeo do a 3 piece clutch/ solid flywheel kit for £280 all in so that's an absolute steal compared to the dmf Quote
Porsche430 Posted February 9, 2015 Posted February 9, 2015 A clutch should cure the shudder, but I generally advise against changing DMF to solid flywheels. As Coastline Taxi's said, if it ain't broke don't fix it. It is hard to diagnose a worn DMF unless it is knocking when idling or when the gearbox and clutch is removed, feel for play in the dampers inside the DMF by turning the flywheel back and forth by hand. The way I see it, is Citroen wanted a solid flywheel for the car, they'd of put on in it. DMF's are getting slowly removed from new cars anyway... YAY! Quote
Tucker9037 Posted February 9, 2015 Author Posted February 9, 2015 Does the solid flywheel not just hamper timing belt intervals? Ie change at 100k instead of 120k. Quote
paul.h Posted February 9, 2015 Posted February 9, 2015 Depending on what you read, John's comments on the results after fitting a solid flywheel can happen - drive shaft/gearbox problems, not as quite smooth clutch engagement. How many miles has your car done, it is also possible the problem could be an engine mounting, particularly one at the back. The eurocarparts site gives all the clutch and flywheel options and when I have looked before the costs are similar for solid or dmf so your source for the Valeo one may also offer the dmf one at a similar low price. If you are getting near to a cam belt change whether it is 100 or 120k miles, I would be tempted to do it at a lower mileage. Also note these frequencies are for Citroen parts, alternative ones may not last the same. Quote
coastline taxis Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 weve done a few of these conversion and to be honest weve had no real problems. but remember 90% of our work is very high milage cars and a extra knock or judder just wouldnt be noticed, what we have noticed though is that lets say u put a valeo 4 in 1 kit in then from now on u can only put valeo clutches in. Its the same with luk and all others. so unless you get a solid from the dealers ur stuck with limited choice for the future Quote
Tucker9037 Posted February 10, 2015 Author Posted February 10, 2015 This has made my mind up ???? http://www.valeoservice.com/data/master/webfile/10123266774CA473BA636D2.pdf?rnd=93 Quote
paul.h Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 Which engine does your car have and how many miles ? Quote
coastline taxis Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 1.6 well that changed everything. just change the clutch plate and keep the rest of your money for a turbo Quote
Tucker9037 Posted February 12, 2015 Author Posted February 12, 2015 Maybe it's just me being over concerned about it because anyone who has tested it says that's normal to have some shudder. Is it normal? Does anyone else's car do it in reverse and first? Quote
paul.h Posted February 12, 2015 Posted February 12, 2015 Judder or shudder as you gradually let the clutch up is not normal, should be nice and smooth. Make sure you check the engine mountings before going for the clutch. Also change the clutch master/slave cylinder fluid as part of a brake fluid change since this can help. Judder before dmfs were used could be oil on the clutch plate from the crankshaft seal leaking, bad wear on the flywheel, the clutch plate worn out or a broken spring, gearbox input shaft flywheel bush worn. With a dmf, the plate does not seem to have the springs and these are in the dmf. You might find you can live with the judder for a long time until it gets really bad but I vaguely remember reading that on possibly Fords, if a dmf problem is left too long it can damage the starter motor and add to the cost. Quote
Tucker9037 Posted February 12, 2015 Author Posted February 12, 2015 Ok now I've tried something. I used the 2nd key that came with the car and it was the one that was used all the time. It seems to have stopped the judder? Quote
paul.h Posted February 12, 2015 Posted February 12, 2015 If you are lucky, it will not just be a coincidence. On the other key is there a bunch of other things hanging off it that could be causing it to turn slightly ? We had a Rover 214 that juddered and needed a clutch but how bad it was depended a bit on the weather and it was always worse when first used each day. Quote
Tucker9037 Posted February 13, 2015 Author Posted February 13, 2015 I really don't understand it. It has definitely made a big change Quote
MikeLane Posted April 6, 2015 Posted April 6, 2015 Just for interest, Valeo do a special conversion kit for DMFs - solid flywheel. It seems they had a manufacturing fault some time ago.Hope you can follow this link: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.valeoservice.com%2Fdata%2Fmaster%2Fwebfile%2F10123266774CA473BA636D2.pdf%3Frnd%3D93&ei=Tq4iVbvaG8fnaqzggIgJ&usg=AFQjCNHOX7eDUpAE8dx0smMKxZxuGpZGiQ&sig2=g5hdFvZz4mfUHaKZmwnd7Q&bvm=bv.89947451,d.d2s Quote
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