Guest afy Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Hi all. I have bought a citroen C5 2.0 HDI over the week end from an internet site. Drove home OK.Next morning it did not start, glow plug light comes on and off straight away in the morning. Managed to start it after rolling down the hill.It had new battery, startermotor recently. I have had the glow plugs changed today but still the same problem. It starts sometimes when it is warm but takes a long time and some times it still doesn't start. Help please. It is a 52 reg 2.0HDI lx model Quote
seefive Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Hi all. I have bought a citroen C5 2.0 HDI over the week end from an internet site. Drove home OK.Next morning it did not start, glow plug light comes on and off straight away in the morning. Managed to start it after rolling down the hill.It had new battery, startermotor recently. I have had the glow plugs changed today but still the same problem. It starts sometimes when it is warm but takes a long time and some times it still doesn't start. Help please. It is a 52 reg 2.0HDI lx model Have you spoken to the vendor? Despite what they might say about "sold as seen", they have a legal responsiblity for the first 90 days after any sale. Statutory rights. I'm sure they wouldn't want adverse publicity, so I would put some pressure on them. Quote
Guest afy Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Have you spoken to the vendor? Despite what they might say about "sold as seen", they have a legal responsiblity for the first 90 days after any sale. Statutory rights. I'm sure they wouldn't want adverse publicity, so I would put some pressure on them. Yes. It was bought privately from swapz site. I rang and spoke to the person who sold it to me and he said that it was fine when they sold it. does not ans the calls now. Quote
seefive Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Yes. It was bought privately from swapz site. I rang and spoke to the person who sold it to me and he said that it was fine when they sold it. does not ans the calls now. Ok - i thought by "Internet site" it was a business selling cars, but if it's truly a private seller ( whose name should be on the V5) you don't have much comeback. Quote
coastline taxis Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 The light coming on and going straight off is perfectley normal as the c5 dosnt use its heater plugs till it gets below -5 so forget about that being your problem. When you say it dosnt start but will if you bump start it. Do you mean it wont turn over or does it turn over very slow or just turns over and over Quote
Guest afy Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 The light coming on and going straight off is perfectley normal as the c5 dosnt use its heater plugs till it gets below -5 so forget about that being your problem. When you say it dosnt start but will if you bump start it. Do you mean it wont turn over or does it turn over very slow or just turns over and over Thanks for the reply. It turns over and over quite fast but doesn't fire even when it is warm. I tried with jump leads to boost the power but still the same. It does however start up straight away if i spray some cold start spray in the pipe close to the air filter. Does it have anything to do with the glow plug relay as someone else suggested.Another thing is that everytime i turn the ignition the traffic master keeps giving message of licence expired and gives some details???checked the battery voltage which was 12.6V before starting. Quote
paul.h Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Sounds a bit like a fuel draining problem. See if you can prime the filter following the procedure in the handbook - there may be a hand pump to use. Also look for any leaks around the piping around the filter that may let in air. I think there was a case here where there was a pinhole leak in the hand pump that under fuel pressure did not let out fuel but under vacuum let in air so the fuel could drain out back to the tank when the engine was not running. I think a symptom was air noises when using the pump. A good search may find the post. There was also another odd one which coastline found. In early cars the fuel filter has a built in temperature sensor with a bimetal strip but it gave a problem of stopping the fuel flow when cold. Ran ok in the warm garage but then once outside the enginer would cut out and give fault code P1138. The filter body had to be replaced. However, this is probably not your problem. If you push the traffic master button it will stop but may come back on if you stall the engine. Quote
Guest afy Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Sounds a bit like a fuel draining problem. See if you can prime the filter following the procedure in the handbook - there may be a hand pump to use. Also look for any leaks around the piping around the filter that may let in air. I think there was a case here where there was a pinhole leak in the hand pump that under fuel pressure did not let out fuel but under vacuum let in air so the fuel could drain out back to the tank when the engine was not running. I think a symptom was air noises when using the pump. A good search may find the post. There was also another odd one which coastline found. In early cars the fuel filter has a built in temperature sensor with a bimetal strip but it gave a problem of stopping the fuel flow when cold. Ran ok in the warm garage but then once outside the enginer would cut out and give fault code P1138. The filter body had to be replaced. However, this is probably not your problem. If you push the traffic master button it will stop but may come back on if you stall the engine.thanks for the advice i will take it to the garage tomorrow to get it checked. Quote
Guest afy Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 thanks for the advice i will take it to the garage tomorrow to get it checked.tried looking for a hand pump during the day but couldn't find it Quote
coastline taxis Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Sit in the car with every thing switched of after lifting up the drivers side rear seat. Now switch on your ignition and listen for a gurgling sound coming from the tank pump (under the seat youve just lifted up). If you hear the gurgling then do this 5 or 6 times to prime the fuel system. keep the ignition on each prime till the gurgling stops. Then see if the car will start. And just forget about your heater plugs there the least of your problems whoever told you is a bit out of touch with hdi engines as they very rarley use them Quote
Guest afy Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Sit in the car with every thing switched of after lifting up the drivers side rear seat. Now switch on your ignition and listen for a gurgling sound coming from the tank pump (under the seat youve just lifted up). If you hear the gurgling then do this 5 or 6 times to prime the fuel system. keep the ignition on each prime till the gurgling stops. Then see if the car will start. And just forget about your heater plugs there the least of your problems whoever told you is a bit out of touch with hdi engines as they very rarley use them thanks will try that in the morning. Quote
Guest afy Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 Thankyou coastline taxis and all the members who gave advice. Appreciate it. I took it to the garage this morning to get it checked. I was told that it was the fuel filter ring at fault. got the fuel filter replaced. The total cost was £30 and it works fine so far and has been starting well. The big test would be tomorrow morning. If it starts then a job is a good one. I will keep you posted.Thanks to all members for advice. Quote
Guest afy Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 Hi again.The has been running fine since monday and starting first time how ever this morning was different. The same issues have returned :lol: Any ideas?????????bump started this morning, if I leave it for about half an hour then it doesn't start. Quote
Johndouglas Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 Have you listened for the lift pump starting up when you first switch on? Quote
Guest afy Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 Have you listened for the lift pump starting up when you first switch on?yes it comes on for a about 10-15 seconds. I turn the key over a few times until the pump stops and then start it. Quote
Johndouglas Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 OK..........If you have a hand primer, give it a few squeezes before starting. Quote
Guest afy Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 OK..........If you have a hand primer, give it a few squeezes before starting.It doesn't have a hand primer. Quote
paul.h Posted January 13, 2011 Posted January 13, 2011 If you have a hand primer it will be under the engine cover. Quote
Guest afy Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 If you have a hand primer it will be under the engine cover.Hi. The car doesn't have a pump under the cover??? Quote
Johndouglas Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Seems odd that both my HDI's have one and yours not. Here's one of them: http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i53/Johndug/Handprimer002.jpg Quote
Guest afy Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Seems odd that both my HDI's have one and yours not. Here's one of them: http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i53/Johndug/Handprimer002.jpg Thanks for the pic. I have looked at mine and the fuel pump looks different on mine. Definately does not have a pump. On top it has pipes coming in and out from the sides not front and back as shown in your pic + there are three and an electrical connector. I will get a pic in inthe morning. Quote
Guest afy Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v407/myglaren/P5092330.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D31582%26view%3Dnext%26sid%3Dd645b835ab6c7134b26ad550776c9f6a&usg=__w-WEdmo5YDrzJXzVlrZGQ_lGlOQ=&h=640&w=480&sz=63&hl=en&start=207&zoom=1&tbnid=s8t8YXiwOEWOXM:&tbnh=125&tbnw=119&ei=ZocwTdKgF8yNjAf89rn4AQ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddiesel%2Bfuel%2Bpump%2Bcitroen%2Bc5%2B2002%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1003%26bih%3D550%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C6091&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=445&vpy=86&dur=859&hovh=259&hovw=194&tx=70&ty=120&oei=JocwTbCBE5KKhQfVy8CiCw&esq=2&page=15&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:207&biw=1003&bih=550 This link will give you a pic of the pump I have on my car. Quote
coastline taxis Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Take it back to the garage and ask them to double check what theyve done. Im most definatley not saying that there work wasnt up to scratch/ What im saying is that you might have a fault on your fuel filter that is recuring and might require a new fuel filter housing Quote
Guest afy Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 Take it back to the garage and ask them to double check what theyve done. Im most definatley not saying that there work wasnt up to scratch/ What im saying is that you might have a fault on your fuel filter that is recuring and might require a new fuel filter housing Thanx again for your advice coastline taxis. will take it back tomorrow. What is the citroen c5 worth if i was to sell it once repaired (Value). It is a 52 with long mot lx model and 130K Quote
Johndouglas Posted January 14, 2011 Posted January 14, 2011 This link will give you a pic of the pump I have on my car. That's the same filter that's on our older HDI. But it still has a hand primer up close to the suspension turret. Quote
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