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Was the diagnostic check done by a Citroen dealer ? At least only showing up when it is above 21°C, it will not occur again this year.

There is a C5 2005 to 2007 handbook on ebay for £19.99 and this may be your only option to get one.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Citroen-C5-Owners-Handbook-Manual-and-Wallet-05-07-/290932712796?pt=UK_CarParts_Vehicles_Manuals_Litterature_ET&hash=item43bcf0e55c However, you can still ask on here until you manage to get one.

Welcome to the forum. If the rear wiper does not park properly when it is used normally, then there could be a fault with the wiper motor. We had this on our C3 and it stopped when the hatch door was replaced with a second hand one including the wiper motor. The wiper moving to the normal park position when the key fob was used to unlock the doors also happened on the C3 if the wiper had not parked properly. What model/engine do you have, although not relevant for the wiper.

Have you checked the fuse list in the handbook ? In the one for the 2008 model, it gives fuse 5 (30 amp) in the glove box as the electric mirrors and windows and fuse 6 (30 amp) as the supply for the front windows. If the battery reset does not work, you could be in for other checks such as the wiring between the driver's door and the body.

Did everything still work ok after jump starting and before fitting the new battery - just to eliminate the possiblity of the problem being caused by jump starting.

An internet search on P0560 suggests the battery voltage may be wrong - check it with a meter in case it needs a charge or is being overcharged. With out the engine running should be about 12.5 volts, with it running should be about 14.4 volts.

Welcome to the forum. It is often better to go to a dealer since they have the correct diagnosis equipment (Lexia for Citroens). Replacement of the throttle position sensor may or may not fix the fault and I do not know about the 0560 code (voltage fault). Citroens procedures do not give how to replace the part so it must be simple and not take long. However, once replaced it needs the ecu to be initialised and the procedure depends on the make of ecu installed. The fault codes may also need to be cleared. A worn sensor may give running problems at certain pedal positions - are there any symptoms ? Example procedure: 14. Computer BOSCH M7.4.4/ME7.4.4 / ME7.4.6 15.1. Programming of the throttle position In the following conditions : Coolant temperature between 5°C and 100°C Air temperature higher than 5°C Do not press the accelerator pedal Switch on the ignition , Wait 30 seconds. Switch off the ignition , Wait 30 seconds. 15.2. Initialisation of the accelerator pedal position sensor, "accelerator fully depressed" position Switch on the ignition and press the accelerator down fully. Return to "pedal released". Without accelerating, start the engine and allow it idle.

Under air and fuel supply, fuel tank - but you need to remove the Filter at the top left to see other C4s that will have the FAP and eolys additive.

Oil level checks are always worth doing, especially after a service. I can not remember our C4 1.6 hdi 2008, but some Citroens had a dip stick with a yellow plastic end which can drop off - if so, it has been reported the lost plastic bit does not cause a problem but another dipstick is needed. I checked the injector part nos. and they are the same on the C5 as the C4 and this forum has many C5 owners with the 2.0 hdi and so far no reports of a runaway. If the anti roll bar drop links are worn they may give a knocking noise - this was the case on our C3 and it was also an advisory at an MOT.

You will not have an eolys tank. On the C5 with the FAP, the fuel filler cap has a couple of magnets on the part that just goes inside the filler neck which are used to sense when it is filled up so it can add the eolys fluid - you should not have these either. If you register on the service.citroen website as an other professional, member of The Citroen Owners Club, you can see the parts diagrams and also see the Characteristics for your car (on the left hand index). This lists all the relevant details such as engine, etc against your VIN. If you want to print something I find a right mouse click is easiest. Also against your VIN you can see all the parts for your car and the exhaust filter will not show.

FAP and DPF are different names for an exhaust particulate filter. Not all the C4 hdi cars have this filter so avoid expensive maintenance costs at about 80k miles. So if your car is Non Fap, it will save you a lot of money.

If the injectors were leaking fuel in to the cylinders, as coastline has said, it would give running problems. If they were leaking like this, the solution would be new or reconditioned injectors. I am not sure how frequent this event is and causing the engine to not stop (runaway) since the same engine is used on other cars (2.0 hdi 138 hp) and it has not been mentioned before on here as far as I can remember (perhaps on the site where it is reported you could search and count how many times it has happened and let us know). There have been a few cases of diesel runaway mentioned in Car Mechanics this year and most seem to have been due to a high engine oil level, 1 was possibly a blocked air filter and others possibly a worn turbo. If runaway does occur, it means the engine will not stop from the ignition key since it is using the engine oil as fuel, sucking it out of the sump. If it happens, the reports recommend stalling the engine using the clutch and brakes before all the oil has gone and the engine is damaged. One advantage of Citroens, they show the oil level on start up. Note, in a few weeks I will move this topic to the C4 section so it is not lost.

It will most likely be the seals that seal the outside of the injectors against the cylinder head so gases from inside the cylinders do not blow out passed the injectors - part no. 198143 or 198196 (imagine this as the sealing washer on a spark plug). To fit these will require the injectors to be removed, which sometimes can be difficult. If these are the seals, it will not be to stop external fuel leaks or an internal fuel leak from the injector in to the cylinder (imagine this as a dripping tap).

Welcome to the forum. What I have read elsewhere is that a leaking injector can lead to diesel runaway and oil contamination. So for this to happen, the injector must leak into the cylinder and not externally. Your picture might be showing a joint leak that may need sorting. However, lets see if there are any more comments from other members.

In the handbook section on the Stop & start system, it says it can be disabled each time the car is started by pushing the ECO OFF button at the top left of the radio. The button will light up. You can push the button to activate it again. Every time the engine is started, the system reverts back to stop/start until the button is pushed again. If it is possible to disable it permanently, it would need to be done as advised by Johndouglas. If you do not have the handbook, you can see/print sections of it on the service.citroen website, documentation de bord, select language, then choose your car. Give the ECO OFF button a try and for our benefit, let us know if it works.

I would also check the radiator top hose is hot, showing the thermostat is opening as the engine heats up.

I have read elsewhere that the 1.4 petrol may be prone to head gasket failure so I hope it is not that. First thing though will be to see if the coolant radiator hoses feel under pressure and if not, swill the cap out under a tap to clean the valves and seal and tank neck and if that does not work consider a new cap. Those little valves are to let air out as the coolant heats up and expands or air in when the coolant cools. So if it is blowing coolant out it must not be holding pressure at up to 1.4 bar or the pressure is going above this if the head gasket has failed. If you do suspect the head gasket has failed, I would be reluctant to use the car much in case the head becomes warped due to overheating. Apart from the current problems, how have you found the car and engine - is the performance ok. Only asking as a possible replacement for our C3.

Thankyou for the update. For £350 I would be doing my own repairs, a few bits of wire and bullet connectors. You will need to sort it though for the next MOT.

Welcome to the forum. It does not look as if there is anyone on this forum with a car the same age as yours. So, please come back when down to 3000 miles and let us know what you find out.

Welcome to the forum. You have probably finished the job by now but anyway here goes. What make of pads are they and is there an arrow on the back of them or any instructions that give an indication of direction ? There is no mention in Citroen's procedures or the Haynes manual and the pictures I have found on the internet show the pads to have a taper at each end. So direction of fitting would not matter and this is what I vaguely remember when I replaced them on our C3 a few years ago with pads from our Citroen dealer. The taper is probably to help the pads bed in. In the lack of information and if your pads are thicker at one end, then I would think the thick end goes at the bottom on all 4 pads i.e. furthest from a point on the disc as it turns in forward direction so the pads do not grab and try to twist. In practice, the taper will have worn away after a few hundred miles when the pads have bedded in so then will not affect normal braking.

£150 is ok if 2 new motors are needed and a couple of hours labour. If reconditioning is being done, it may just mean the cogs on the motors are being replaced. The motor I replaced (unecessarily) was Citroen part no. 6447.HH and on the motor has Valeo 24.06.04 594 and 653113V.E 11 - the latter is the Valeo part no. and the other is a date. It looks like this http://www.easyautoparts.eu/en/spareparts/peugeot/peugeot-406-99-04/heat/heatregulator-motor/t2231q-653118vc-valeo

I am pleased you managed to fix your car and it sounds as though it was not too expensive apart from your time and inconvenience.

I hope you managed to fix your car. If so, what was wrong and needed doing to sort it ?

There is a link to the Picasso forum from this site (if you have not already seen it) which has a section on the C3 Picasso. Worth a look and also joining.

The following may help a bit. It is for a 1.6 hdi 110hp. You do not appear to have given your engine in this or your posts on the rear lights (which your last post was to let us know how the garage fixed it - we are still in suspense). Shows the fan should start at about 97°C so the temp gauge would not be much different to normal. 1.4 barg steam is 126°C so if the cap is lifting due to high temp and pressure (and not overfilling) the fan should be on and the high temp warning should be on before the cap lifts. Cooling circuit with or without air conditioning Capacity of the cooling circuit 6,5 litres Surface area of the cooling radiator 21 dm2 Pressurisation Cap with 1,4 bar rating Opening of thermostatic regulator 83 °C Fan Triggering threshold 97 °C (stops at 94 °C) Number x electrical power 1 x 130 Watts Air conditioning cut-off 115 °C Warning 118 °C Post-cooling 105 °C (for 6 minutes)