I'd be surprised if the French have achieved German quality and reliability ( which may be a myth anyhow ) Seems Citroen think they have gone upmarket simply by not discounting the prices any more or as much Plus the new C5 is lower specced than my Mk2 which has Zenon directional headlamps , electric folding mirrors , parking sensors front and rear etc etc When I got it , it was a cheap car with all the extras, a new C5 would be expensive and less well equipped