Randombloke

If you do not have the Sport mode button then you have H3 fitted to your car not H3+ so you will not see any high speed adjustment AIUI.

Saloon or estate? The first thing I would check is if the lock plate on the boot lid is showing signs of not engaging properly with the spigot on the other side, see if you can see any scrapes or similar. Then I would look in the lining to see if the linkages are properly connected or catching anywhere. I suspect you have a saloon, so can't offer details as I have an estate.

Just to clarify, as a reliable Citroen tech has posted here before: There are a very small number of early C5s, with DPF/Eolys at 50,000 miles where the Eolys ECU cannot be reset and must be replaced. Cost is about £80. If you want to find the post then the quickest route may be to look at all postings by kfk or iannez. I would also add that vehicle sellers on eBay make the problem worse as some of them expect you to bid on and pay for a vehicle without prior inspection. They sat things like "any problem we refund the deposit", "check our feedback", "when you come to inspect if it is not as described we cancel the sale" etc. eBay knows much less about HDi than our resident Citroen techs, top blokes. I inspected some C5s that made me afraid, the state they were in....... After an Eolys/DPF service there is a recommendation to put a minimum of 10 litres in the tank ASAP.

Don't forget the problem with the windscreen glass on the C5 - you may have to site the Tom Tom carefully or use an external aerial. Details elsewhere on this forum. HTH. PS. I've used Tom Tom 5 on an old HP4150 PDA and it worked well. Also it has certain "extra overlays" relating to accident black spots. These black spots are usually marked by speed cameras too, if you know what I mean. Best thing is Tom Tom moves between cars no hassle. Just don't EVER leave it in the car.

Yes, very much, every time the car is driven in the UK. I also have an older hand held unit that's ten years old this year. There may be a slight misunderstanding here - Traffic Master is a live traffic congestion system warning of delays and problems on the routes ahead (10 miles or 3 motorways junctions IIRC on the speech only versions) which helps you avoid big jams. It does not take the place of or function like a Sat Nav, but is a complemetary device, e.g. TM says: "You are heading Westbound on M20 at Junction 7, M20 Westbound very slow traffic between junctions 4 & 5, expect 10 minutes delay. Traffic is flowing freely on the M26 Westbound." You then put into Tom Tom "road blocked in 4 miles or avoid this place" and it does the biz. If you have built in older C5 Sat Nav you push the button on the left hand stalk and enter the same info. You then get a set of directions to avoid the jam. Does this help? PS. Pressing the button twice in quick succession will change TM from auto to manual mode(and back)=talk/light only or shut it up if the licence has expired. Pressing the button 3 times puts it into the volume adjusting mode, you might want it to speak quietly if you don't like it but want to make use of existing subscription.

Brake lining wear warning? Are you getting anything on the one line display? Low hydraulic fluid? Check the handbrake is 100% down and not coming up slightly, and is also contacting the switch to turn the warning on the dash off. Without seeing your car I'm guessing in the dark. So: 1. Brake pad wear or loose wire to pads. 2. Hydraulic level - check under bonnet. Search elsewhere on this forum for procedure to check level. 3. Hand brake warning light switch iffy - check under handle. HTH.

Excellent! I too have found the C5 does not reward town or short distance driving, but is excellent for its size on long trips. Must cycle into town more, the council in Maidstone will help motivate me with the parking from hell. I must thank them for their unstinting attempts to improve my health. Incidentally, my target for every tank in my C5 is a minimum of 621 miles or 1,000km. If I run down to the last 6 litres in the tank then that's about 42.8 mpg.

I'm the owner of an early 2.2 HDi and I have to say the lack of particulates in the exhaust, even in the lights of a tail gating car is impressive. It was this soot (or larger particulates, known as PM10s) from older diesels that prompted the legislation to "clean up" diesel power. Whilst a diesel car can have a lot of smoke in the exhaust and still pass the MOT, some of the Citroen techs posting here will tell you that the FAP/DPF cars can be hard pushed to show any detectable particulates on test at all. That's progress. Latest cars are 120,000 between filter and top up. Citroen or a qualified indy. Might be worth asking here with a post code for a good indy as several have been mentioned. I paid £144 for the filter and £77 for the fluid plus VAT, for an older 2.2. Ring around the local dealers and ask. If you need an RPN I'm sure you can get one via PM with the excuse to the dealer that you are considering purchasing the car from the present owner. I think it's cerium oxide but I'm not sure. Unless you are well off it may also bugger your wallet in fuel consumption. I would choose the Exclusive or Exclusive SE in the 2.0 engine with 6 speed box if buying a Mk1 (up to end 04-ish) C5. Most VTRs that early on do not have cruise control.

Emissions are done simply on how much the engine pollutes so a big one pollutes more than a small one. The smaller 2.0 may have just come in under the threshold and the 2.2 been just over, plus it may have been better to put DPF on the bigger engines as a small power loss would go unnoticed. So many things. I would look for marks on the leads if there are any to see if there is any shorting, look under plug shrouds for tracking and clean off and light carbon deposit on plug ceramic body, clean out plug shrouds fully. Sometimes this is actually an Air Mass Flow sensor problem as the wire sensing the flow doesn't get hot enough or gets too hot until the engine has been running a while. Might be worth approaching someone who can measure it or see if you can do a swap with a known good one.

Mine has a very minor issue as indicated by other members at very low speeds and on full lock only. I wonder if it has anything to do with the diff as the car does not seems to suffer from torque steer or understeer at speed. It may be that with a very torquey diesel some sort of limited slip diff is needed to prevent one or other front wheel spinning and the ASR intervening. I've got H3+ on mine and find the cornering is inspiring, given the quality of ride. Body roll is far better more expensive marques with hard rides. There is a tiny bit of wheel scuffing on full lock, either in forward or reverse. What tyres are you using? I'm on Dunlop SP2000.

This isn't quite right. 406s and Xantias fitted with HDi engines have no particulate filters. Prior to 2005, only C5 2.2 engines had DPF. After this, you find even the 1.6 engines with DPF. 50,000 mile DPF changes AFAIK only applies to very early 2.2 C5s. Mine's a 2002, and the DPF change and Eolys top up is 75,000 miles. On later cars it is 120,000 miles. The deciding factor is not year of manufacture but RPN, this 4 digit number will then correspond to a service interval for DPF and Eolys. Cost of filter replacement in £144 for DPF and £77 for Eolys, plus VAT. If people have SO much money that they can't shop around, then tough on them. My local indy Citroen garage when asked about clutches on C5s said they had NEVER done one as it has not been a problem area. If the clutches are burning out just how hard are people revving the engines? I think the failure of belts on 2.2s is due to the extra paraphernalia on them, I suspect that despite the larger valves, bigger cams etc, they have the same size belt as the 2.0. Or, it could be a duff batch of belts or clocked cars. (Yes, on eBay you can buy a mileage corrector for PSA cars). The power delivery is not aggressive, as the torque curve seems to be very flat and doesn't often any sort of revving above 2,500-3,000 rpm. The load on the cam belt isn't proportional to power delivery, simply to engine speed. I haven't the manual to hand but wonder where the Lanchester shafts on the 2.2 run from? My local indy has only just noticed the problem of breaking belts, so it looks like it's a duff batch, seeing as they've had a lot of C5/C8s passing through the workshop. 12,500 miles on the earlier C5. Most of them not expensive and who wants oil in an engine for 20,000 plus miles? The big problem for all car dealers in the UK is that the fleet buyers buy most new cars and they really cane the importers on price. Having done that they then dump them on the market at 3 years, 60k miles which has the effect that new car sales to private buyers are lower than would be the case in other countries. Where the diesel scores is if you travel abroad, which I do, probably last year 30% of mileage non UK. Petrol C5 HPi also is not without its problems, but it looks like the standard petrol ones are ok. Coil packs seem to be a recurring problem, and since abandoning petrol I've never missed that damp, or loose lead, or arcing misfire that petrol loves to torture you with. If people want the best, most efficient diesel in the World, then a VW/Audi/Skoda is where it's at. If they want a simple car, easy to mend and cheap then Mondeo. If they want their friends to be impressed then Merc or BMW. Citroens have a very poor record for depreciation, with good reason. It's a testing ground for the next Peugeot model, and reliability has never been excellent. Any of the "good" marques above will be 25 to 50% more expensive than a C5 with the same mileage and spec. All of them except the Merc will have a hard, bouncy ride, and some have poor seats. The larger engined Mondeo will remind you of a diesel tractor or old Transit. Citroens are cheap second hand for a reason. People need to do their research. Also, all petrol engines now have Catalysts, and at MOT time if it fails on emissions then new Cat time. The main reason that diesels are so popular with the manufacturers is because they so much more efficient than petrol engines, and at the moment have more potential unless the GDi/HPi thing takes off, or stratified charge engines make a return (Honda Accord CVCC anyone?). Up until recently the 2.0 6 speed was the one to get but some people might like the 178 bhp 2.2 that has become available more recently. However, most of the complaints about 2.2 HDi powered C5s seem to stem from people either not doing some research as to why a car is so cheap, or not doing the DPF/Eolys at the right time. Having said all this it still doesn't alter the fact that you have made a number of very good points against diesel ownership especially of older C5s without a proper service history. For a low mileage driver a petrol could be good buy.

99.9% it will be the oil feed is low pressure or blocked. Is the car driven hard on the motorway then stopped very suddenly?

Did you get him to tell you what they were exactly? At least then you can check them on a database for yourself. I have only ever had one ESP/ASR problem which also fired off the anti pollution warning, and it turned out to be the swirl control valve diaphragm. The valve was replaced, and the old one was recycled by an Irish forum member. It pays to find a good dealer or independent. Maybe ask here with a postcode or approximate location. If the turbo is working and providing boost then it's fine. They are actually very simple and reliable and are wrongly blamed for a lot of things. If you can hear it whistle at low RPM then it's working.... I would also have good look for leaks.

This is limp home mode. It would be interesting to know what year your car is, as not all C5s have the full system with DPF and Eolys tank. If it's the Mass Air Flow sensor it should take all of 10 minutes to change, but the diagnostic will indicate an air mass flow sensor fault. The local garage will still need to be able to clear fault codes. Swirl control valves and MAP sensors can also give similar warnings. The extremely common part of the fault is sometimes caused by people not having the DPF changed or Eolys topped up when needed.

Mass Air Flow(MAF) sensors, and MAP (Manifold Absolute Pressure) sensors can really f**k up your car if disconnected or knackered. Apparently there have been a number of problems also on VAG 1.9/2.0 fours and V6s with these issues and they do not always appear on diagnostic checks.

There is already a link to some breaker networks here: Thread with Citroen breaker links

I still have the old aerial base unit, I think that on my car there were 4 leads going to it - Traffic Master, GPS for Sat Nav, Radio and GSM. I will check some time in the next 2 days. Have you tried to unscrew the aerial or is it corroded on? Common fault with C5.

Suggestions: From within the map? menu, try selecting GPS info and it will tell you the quality of the signal. 3 is best, 0 or 1 is poor. What are you getting? Try changing the CD for a known good one. I had a similar but not identical problem with the Sat Nav eventually crashing - traced to faulty CD. I have to remove the aerial when transporting 2 hang gliders and although the coverage is worse the Sat Nav still works. I replaced the aerial and mount very early in my ownership of the C5 as it was corroded on. I bought a new aerial and mount, then tried to unscrew the old one which broke so replaced the whole lot. However, I originally did that as the Traffic Master was not receiving info - turned out to be the unit was duff. The only other suggestion I can make is a software upgrade. Hope this helps.

There's an online version of breaker link - I use it for parts for sh1te old 406. See links below. I've not used it for a while as I got such a good Peugeot breaker through it that I go to him straight now. Citroen Parts Gateway 1st Choice breaker link Home page for Parts Gateway

No, it didn't in 2004, but all new cars will have to have them soon, and Ford's diesel design is so good they are either buying Peugeot HDi units or working on a "co-operative" project. (They're buying units in and need to save face) PSA Peugeot Citroën were ahead of the game, and unfortunately of the two marques, Citroën is the try it out one..... Ford will run the dirtier diesels right up to the wire..... Auto lights - turn the option off. From memory, put key in the ignition, go accessories position, then hold end of lights stalk in until there is a beep or 6 seconds. Auto wipers - simply do not use that position. Down for a quick sweep, position 2 is slow and position 3 is fast. You telling me? 250,000 miles in BXes then 20,000 so far in C5 :unsure: Look at the heritage it has, DS, GS, SM, CX, BX, XM, Xantia, C5, C6! OTOH, there is the Ford Mundane-O if you want? Only joking!!!!!

Truly the offspring of de Gaulle's black DS then! My first sh1te old BX did this, the problem is that the car goes well and it's only after the tyre is seriously damaged that you realise. A discreet small swerve gives the game away.

Yes, 16mm at the front and 11m at the rear. All H3+ C5s are in "Sport" mode above 110 km/h, AIUI. I have placed the costs of DPF + Eolys replacement on the list before. My indy wanted £142+VAT for the DPF, and £77+VAT for fluid. Only 2.2 HDi MK1s have the DPF plus fluid, but later C5s have it on the other engine sizes as well. Have you ever been to Rio de Janeiro or Lagos? Have you ever seen the amount of soot that comes from Montego Perkins diesels or older XUD lumps? Compare it with the new diesels! Let's not kill off the environment too quickly...... Below 110 km/h you have a choice between Sport and Normal mode, set on your centre console. At 110 km/h, IF the road is smooth enough, the H3+ C5 goes over to Sport mode automatically as I understand it. The light won't come on, but you are now in Sport mode. Drop dimensions for Sport mode above. Anyway, you have now seen why I keep talking BS about the 67 mph sweet spot. Set cruise so that the needle is a hair's breadth below the bottom of 7 on the 70 mark on your speedo... fuel is now £1.12 where I live..... :unsure: 2002 2.2 HDi Exclusive 5 speed did 45.6 mpg early this week on a return trip to Southampton (including town driving) from Kent despite the winds, courtesy of this technique.

The good engine and suspension need some sort of electronics to modify their systems and actively control them. Additional pre/post injection can't easily be done with a purely mechanical system, nor can the 3/4/5 D mapping for fuel delivery be done by the Lucas pump fitted to most older XUD engines. Direct injection and active suspension control only really came of age with the right control systems. Take away all the advances with ECU control of direct diesel injection, the extra power, the reduced emissions, the active control of suspension, the climate control in 2 zones and what are you left with? Sh1te old BX. I have a BX with air con and 180k miles on the clock. It has no electronics at all. All it needs is a new cylinder head gasket. Sell the C5, buy sh1te old BX and with a £450 head skim and gasket it can be just like the old days..... yours for £500..... If you think the C5 is unreliable then look at the SM or Mark 1 pre 91 XM. The other thing to remember is that Citroën is purely a Peugeot research project in my view. All the innovations can be tried out without damaging the Peugeot marque. OTOH, people expect Citroën to be innovative. How they intend to do this with a Mk3 coil spring C5 is beyond me, but maybe in 6 years time you be able to buy an uncomplicated C5. Why bother? Buy a 407 instead. That's the same floor pan, but without all the best bits IMV.

Hi Ken, What do you mean when you say "I have bought the head unit"? The mod that proinnsias is talking about is simply a display swap. The ECU is the same in both the car with the single and multi function display AFAIK, and several posters on the Planète Citroën forum in France have done the same upgrade. HTH.

You'll have to buy an older diesel then, and with the higher CO2 emissions the road fund tax will cost more. Looks like all diesels sold will soon have DPF to comply with the relevant legislation. This is pretty good for a 2.2 auto. You're a careful driver. I get about 42mpg at 80 mph, but my 5 speed manual seems to do slightly better in France than in the UK. Probably longer journeys and fewer stops..... My friend with the 02 2.2 auto is getting just over 40 on trips with similar speeds.