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Good to see one problem is sorted. My comment about people not finishing topics was not particularly aimed at you, just a general comment and you would be surprised how many people never come back after asking for help. Here is an example, techen had many topics going on this forum and another one with the same topics but would not finish any of them off or answer any direct questions, in the end we gave up helping http://www.citroen-owners-club.co.uk/citroen/topic/20398-new-c4-issues/?hl=%2Binjector+%2Bleak&do=findComment&comment=73275

Good to see your car is now ok. When I replaced the belt on our 2003 C3 I was not sure if I had got the tensioner right. After several attempts at setting it I gave up trying to get it exactly right and put it back together and luckily it was ok for many miles and years. The tensioner on our C5 is the same as the C3 and when its belt needed replacing this year I paid the dealer to do it - the labour cost was not too great compared to possibly damaging the engine plus I want to keep the car for a few more years. Probably once you have done a few of these tensioners you get used to them but as DIYers, we only see them every few years, if that.

You could check the battery voltage, our C3 would give 3 beeps on starting when it was low. On the fuel gauge, is it showing more than 1 bar when it thinks the fuel level is low ? By ALB do you mean the brake ABS light ? If this is on then you would need a code reader that does ABS to check what it thinks the fault is. However, if you have a voltmeter, you could unplug each sensor and check the resistance across each sensor and if one is different then it may be faulty. Also check the wiring to each sensor. The handbrake light is also shared by the brake fluid level sensor so you should also check the level is not low.

I guess you are not in the UK. The standard Citroen warranty in the UK on a new car is 3 years and it has not been mentioned by a dealer to us that it could be extended to 8 years. It is likely that on such a warranty you will need the car to be serviced at a Citroen dealer. I do my own servicing once a warranty has expired which saves quite a lot of money but might not have done on the C3 since it had a couple of problems fixed by the dealer - heater warm flap failure, driveshaft oil seal leak. The heater was not a diy job since it involved the refrigerant removing and putting back so about £1500 in total, split almost equally between parts and labour.

It is 2½ weeks since stereotypical was last on here, I wonder if he has fixed his car, would be nice to know and what the fix was. I find it annoying when we spend time helping and for whatever reason we do not get the final feedback to know how a problem was solved. It means the topic could be a waste of our time and does not help others with the same problem. It also makes you less willing to help the same person again so it is in their own interest to finish the topic.

It looks like a good car but I have not driven one. We had a 2010 C3 which we liked but the engine in it was not the best being the petrol 1.4 vti, suffering from oil leaks and timing chain wear and at 56k miles it was replaced a few months ago with a Cactus 1.6 hdi. The Cactus is only slightly longer than the C3, the same width but inside has a lot more room. We went for diesel since I did not fancy a small 3 cylinder petrol engine since it is often used for long motorway trips.

This is from the July 2017 Car Mechanics help pages. A petrol Peugeot 206 1.4 petrol was left with the ignition on, engine not running for 30 minutes which flattened the battery. It went in to eco mode, would turn over but not start, the fuel pump could be heard when trying to start. It appeared to have immobilised the ignition since no spark from the coil pack. Car Mechanics replied based on on-line comments that Peugeots can get stuck in eco mode and not start. A 307 hdi was being cleaned for about an hour with doors open and when trying to start again would not start and came up eco mode. The AA were called out and after about 10 minutes got the car going - the technician said Peugeots can sometimes be a pig to get out of eco mode. The trick is to run a thick wire from the battery positive terminal directly to the starter motor and force the car to turn over with the ignition turned on. This forces the car to start and come out of economy mode. He advised leaving the car running for half an hour or so to let the battery charge and for everything to reset itself. He advised not to leave the car doors open or the radio on while the engine is not running. So next time your Pug sulks in economy mode, try kicking the starter motor with 12 volts. In the September 2017 Car Mechanics letters pages, there is a follow up from Jim Lowrence. I thought it worth mentioning that with some PSA vehicles, specifically those with a Siemens injection system, the method you described to jump-start the vehicle won't work under certain circumstances. Siemens systems are a bit 'delicate' when it comes to low battery voltages. I've seen and heard of quite a few instances where the low battery voltage has caused the BSI to forget it's parameter settings and the key code - it's particularly common on the 307. If this were the case, the car would not start even by jumping the starter motor as the immobiliser would prevent the injectors from opening up. The firstthing I check on non-starting Peugeots/Citroens is that the car recognises the key by opening the driver's door while the key is in the ignition. If the car beeps, then the key is recognised and you should be able to jump the starter. If the car doesn't beep, then the BSI has lost the key code and the car won't start until the key has been recoded to the BSI. I hope you find this useful.

twoseefives has not been back yet to read the replies so I do not know how important this topic is. Beware that if the car is being jacked up and the wheels left hanging, it first should be raised to the suspension max height. Then on the C5 X7 with the hydraulic suspension, the suspension lds fluid tank cap should be slackened off and left this way until the car is back on the ground - if not the tank could split. If left undone though for some time the lds fluid might absorb water and need replacing, otherwise it might not perform that well but might lead to corrosion in the hydraulics.

An ebay search came up with this https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Citroen-C8-2-2HDi-2006-Bare-Engine-66-000-Miles-30-Days-Warranty/292217059792?hash=item44097e79d0:g:hxcAAOSwPe5ZlDRT

He was last on here on Saturday but does not come on the forum every day.

If it is below about 6°C the air con is prevented from working so in this cold weather it would not help. Make sure the air flow is set so it comes in from the outside and is not recycling and set to hot and the flow is set to the windscreen (then check it does go there). Also check the air con drain is not blocked and the pollen filter has been replaced in the last year and also it is not blocked with leaves/dirt. You can also check if the carpets are wet. If it smells inside of anti freeze (a bit like burnt curry), then the cabin heater may be leaking.

If the tyre pressure is correct, then it could be the pressure sensor needs replacing. On some cars they do not have sensors but instead use the abs ones to check the wheel rotation. I have edited the topic title slightly.

The paper element does stick to the cover when being removed, it is meant to and then once off the car it can be pulled off the cover. Whilst messy to remove compared to the old metal filters, paper ones are probably less expensive and better for the environment since there is no metal to throw away. The filter ends are plastic. This you tube video on a petrol C3 shows what is involved https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-B-iTUnS_o Your drain plug though uses a socket and not the 8mm bit. In the video a torque wrench was not used but the danger of this is the plug and filter cover may be over tightened or not tightened enough. The filter cover should also be wiped out before fitting the new filter in to it and the smear of oil on the O-ring/cover threads/filter housing helps the cover and O-ring go back correctly.

The oil filters are a paper element that clips to the plastic cover, the paper part is thrown away but the cover is used again. The rubber O-ring has a round cross section and is included with the new filter, it fits in a groove at the top of the cover threads. Do not even think about sucking the old oil out of the dip stick tube since you will not get all the old oil out and could leave a lot of rubbish/contaminated/degraded old oil behind that normally drains out. If you do suck it out, you could end up with early engine wear and turbo failure. If you do not wish to drain the oil yourself, then in the long term to protect the engine it would be cheaper to pay a dealer to change the oil. A diy oil change might cost about £40 whereas a dealer might charge twice that but saves you the bother. If you do not have the tools and need to buy them, then the difference in cost using the dealer is not much if anything, since a torque wrench to cover the range needed can be expensive. Without the 27mm socket, you will not easily remove and tighten the oil filter cover and could damage it. Teng do a 3/8" torque wrench with range 20 to 110 Nm which would be ok for the filter cover and drain plug, a search suggests it is about £40, as an example https://www.bagoftools.co.uk/tools/c190/hand-tools/c2359/mechanics-tools/c2582/torque-wrenches/c2758/teng-3892ag-e3-torque-wrench-20-110nm-38in-drive/p42333

If the turbo is the problem and it is still in 1 piece, is it not easier/cheaper to sort the turbo than replace the engine ? Any used engine you are likely to get could be worse than the one you already have. To get some idea of the mileage if you do not believe the speedo, you can look up the car MOT history https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history

From the parts diagrams it looks the same as on our C3. I would get the filter and sump plug washer from a Citroen dealer so they are the right ones, plus the washer costs less than £1 but elsewhere can be a lot more. The oil capacity should be 3.75 litres (1.8 litres between min/max on the dip stick) and I would use the oil specified in the Maintenance and Warranty book that came with the car - it is probably Total INEO ECS 5w30 and from a dealer could be around £40 for a 5 litre pack, or around £25 delivered from Neilsen in Swansea https://www.nielsencdg.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000090.pl?WD=ineo%20total%20ecs&PN=Total%2dQuartz%2dIneo%2dECS%2d5W30%2dEngine%2dOil%2dPeugeot%2d%2dHDI%2dCitroen%2d5L%2dTOT_151261%2ehtml#SID=1065 . You will need a large socket to fit the filter cover and a torque wrench to do it up so it is not too tight. The cover O-ring seal comes new with the filter and should be slightly oiled before the cover is put back. Filter cover, 27 mm socket, done up to 25 Nm (printed on the cover). Drain plug - this might use a hex bit or square bit (possibly 8 mm) or a normal socket but I would check before starting the job. Done up to 34 Nm. If a normal socket, 6 point ones are less likely to round off the corners of the plug. However, the part no. is 031129 and a search shows it needs a socket https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PEUGEOT-CITROEN-1-4HDI-1-6D-1-9D-2-0-HDI-SUMP-PLUGSx5-031129-031340-SP5Wx5-/182092826400 There might be an engine under tray that needs removing to access the drain plug - if so, before doing the job check any bolts are easy to undo since the clips they screw in to can rust/break and new ones may be needed and when refitting a bit of grease on the threads helps prevent rust for next time. You might need to remove the air ducting to get to the oil filter. Do the job on a level drive but you may need to jack the car up a bit to help access underneath but not enough to lift a wheel. To minimise oil drips/mess on the drive, I have found the best way is to place an old bowl on cardboard under the oil filter, put rags/tissues under the oil filter, slacken the filter cover and wait for it to stop dripping before removing it in tissues upside down since there can be a lot of mess. Then place it in a funnel in an empty oil container so it can drip for a while. The filter element comes out fastened to the cover and needs to be pulled off. Wipe inside the cover, remove the old large O-ring on the cover after noting the groove in which it fits. Fit the new O-ring, fit the new filter to the cover, wipe out the filter housing on the engine and other bits covered in oil drips, smear some oil on the cover O-ring and in the housing so the cover and O-ring turn easily and then fit the filter back. Refit the air ducting. Next put the bowl/cardboard under the sump and remove the drain plug so the oil runs in to the bowl. Clean the plug and replace the washer with a new one. Once the oil has stopped dripping enough, wipe the area to remove any dirt, refit the plug and add the new oil - using a funnel in the oil filler helps prevent spillage. After adding about 3 litres, wait for a bit and check the oil level before adding the rest to avoid overfilling. Run the engine for a while, stop it and after letting the oil settle, check the level is still ok. Check the drain plug and filter are not leaking. Remove the bowl/cardboard from under the car, refit the engine under tray, pour the old oil in to the empty container to take to the recycling centre.

A kind offer if anyone is interested. Can you not use the brake pipe tool for other cars and hence keep it ?

Our replacement key fobs had hard plastic buttons instead of the Citroen rubber ones and have been better for it and lasted well. For a workshop manual the Citroen service box is the one to get. It comes on 3 dvds which you install on your computer and includes parts diagrams and wiring diagrams. The most recent ones are for about 2012 since then I think Citroen only use on-line ones. You can access the on-line ones but you then pay by the hour so could end up being expensive. To do this you need to register on the service.citroen site as an other professional non emergency services and as a member of the Citroen Owners Club. The parts diagrams are free but the procedures have to be paid for. http://service.citroen.com/do/changerParametres you might need to select your language first and then use the top right register button. I did a quick search on ebay for the service box (+ sedre) but could not find one. This C8 topic has info on down loading a copy http://www.citroen-owners-club.co.uk/citroen/topic/23950-c8-workshop-manual/

At that price you should not have any bother selling it. I am sure coastline taxis would be interested so you could try a message to him and he is less likely than anyone else to be bothered about the high mileage. Cool cars for teenagers tend to be set by insurance costs so are small engined petrols such as Clio, Punto, Corsa, even the C3. Before getting a C3 we looked at lots of on-line quotes to compare insurance costs.

No specific for sale area. I would just start a new topic and put in the title For Sale etc. Probably in one of the C5 sections. I notice the C3 has gone from your car list and been replaced by 12 RR Westminster 4.4 TDV8 - Gentleman's Club on wheels, or is this the C5 replacement ?

I tried the Picasso site and got the same message 404. The site's admin does not come on these forums very often, unfortunately if it needs a fix it could be some time before it is sorted.

I always thought it is the driver who is insured to drive the car and not the car insured to be driven. Company cars may be different if they let any employee drive a car provided they have a valid driving licence. If you drive another car that is not yours or hired, then provided your insurance allows it, you are then insured but only third party - so if you have a bump the third party can claim damages against you but the car you are in is not covered. If you want your car to be driven by people other than yourself and for it to have the same cover, then they have to be named driver's on your policy (or have their own policy). Unless the second person is higher risk, it does not cost much to add another person. The named driver also needs the permission of the car owner to drive the car.

Maybe on the Picasso site it is under maintenance or its server has tripped, only guesses though. See if it comes back on tomorrow. If not you could try a message to this site's admin gteuk since he also looks after the Picasso site.

I would go with the battery checks first. If you start to get warnings of low oil pressure as well, then it could be a fault with the engine fuse box. Both of these are mentioned in the Common Problems pinned topic. If you have a trailer socket then check that it is dry and clean.

I do not know about a jubilee clip but it could be worth a try. However, it might not get through the MOT but I am not sure. I would think the end at the priming pump would easily remove from the pump. If so you could get this section to the filter from a scrap yard for many Citroens or maybe coastline taxis has one. A search on ebay shows many sellers of used parts so at worst it will be around £30. As an example from the 2004 to 2007 C5 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2005-2008-CITROEN-C5-ESTATE-2-2-HDi-4HS-HAND-PRIMER-PUMP-FUEL-PIPE/201932535393?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D49479%26meid%3D11fce61111b14c40a6cb2616c2b9166b%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D201632082696&_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850 I would try something like wd40 on the white push clip to free it off so it will move over its full travel. This site has connectors and you might be able to find the part you need. In the pictures it shows how the push clips work https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10mm-ID6-Fuel-line-quick-connector-gasoline-filter-fuel-filter-for-Peugeot-and-Citroen-5-pcs/32820204920.html?spm=2114.search0306.3.149.MvxaDx&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_0_10190_10130_10152_10151_10539_10594_10596_10059_10312_10314_10534_10313_10084_100031_10083_10184_10547_10107_10546_10307_10604_10548_10603_10605_10341_10065_10142_10340_10068_10343_10541_10342_10345_10103_10344_10303_10325_10324,searchweb201603_0,ppcSwitch_0&algo_pvid=da0b80db-0312-4b08-8a9f-c3d19c4661f4&algo_expid=da0b80db-0312-4b08-8a9f-c3d19c4661f4-22